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Catch-22 situations
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1. Catch-22 situations

2. Viscous cycle
Ouroboras Cycle of belief, action, results
The Latin phrase for a "catch-22" situation is the Latin phrase "circulus vitiosus""viscous circle".
The German word "Teufelskreis""devil's circle" and derives from the Latin word as a loan translation but with "devil" substituted for "viscous".

An example of a viscous cycle is that of beliefs influencing actions influencing results influencing beliefs, etc. One can see the "viscous" cycle of coveting and increase in what one wants in Ecclesiastes (omitted)

Information sign More: The viscous cycle of catch-22 situations

3. Deuteronomy 3:11
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KJV: For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
Hebrew: כי רק עוג מלך הבשן נשאר מיתר הרפאים הנה ערשו ערש ברזל הלה הוא ברבת בני עמון תשע אמות ארכה וארבע אמות רחבה באמת איש׃
Greek: οτι πλην ωγ βασιλευς βασαν κατελειφθη απο των ραφαιν ιδου η κλινη αυτου κλινη σιδηρα ιδου αυτη εν τη ακρα των υιων αμμων εννεα πηχων το μηκος αυτης και τεσσαρων πηχων το ευρος αυτης εν πηχει ανδρος
Latin: solus quippe Og rex Basan restiterat de stirpe gigantum monstratur lectus eius ferreus qui est in Rabbath filiorum Ammon novem cubitos habens longitudinis et quattuor latitudinis ad mensuram cubiti virilis manus
Wycliffe: For Og aloone, kyng of Basan, was left of the generacioun of giauntis; and his yrun bed is schewid, which is in Rabath, of the sones of Amon, and hath nyne cubitis of lengthe, and foure cubitis of breede, at the mesure of a cubit of mannus hond.
Luther: Denn allein der König Og zu Basan war noch übrig von den Riesen. Siehe, sein eisern Bette ist allhie zu Rabbath der Kinder Ammon, neun Ellen lang und vier Ellen breit nach eines Mannes Ellenbogen.
What "remnant" of "giants" was Og descended from? The LXX (Septuagint) has him from the "ραφαιν" which comes from the Hebrew word "רפאים" (re-pha-im) ≈ "Rephaim". רפאים - Rephaim
In Jewish thought, the Rephaim were either big humans (i.e., giants) or departed spirits in the Jewish afterlife from Sheol.

Note: Goliath and his brothers and others with him were descended from the Rephaim. See 2 Samuel 21:22 (and following) and 1 Chronicles 20:8 (and following). Note that in English Og has a "length" and a "breadth" while in Latin he has a "longitude" and a "latitude".

The modern Greek word "κλίνη" (KLEE-nee) ≈ "bed" from which we get the English word "clinic".

4. Church of true Christians
Church of true ChristiansHow would you like to attend a church of "true" Christians? No sinners allowed.

Is this a "catch-22" situation? Or some denial of reality?

Do you know any churches where this sign might be an appropriate warning? How might "sin" be defined in those churches?

What happens if all "sinners" are forced out of a church?

5. Romans 3:23
   Romans 3:23 
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KJV: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Greek: παντες γαρ ημαρτον και υστερουνται της δοξης του θεου
Latin: omnes enim peccaverunt et egent gloriam Dei
Wycliffe: For alle men synneden, and han nede to the glorie of God;
Tyndale: for all have synned and lacke the prayse yt is of valoure before God:
The mathematical symbol for "for all" is "".

For all have sinned
Discussion question: Jesus would appear be a special case in that the "for all" applies to those who are not "God". Does this verse include fallen angels? How about the "Rephaim" from Genesis?

6. Christ
An interesting "catch-22" appears in the Bible where the educated and otherwise intelligent Pharisee's have difficulty thinking "outside the box".

7. Matthew 22:41
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KJV: While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
Greek: συνηγμενων δε των φαρισαιων επηρωτησεν αυτους ο ιησους

8. Matthew 22:42
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KJV: Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
Greek: λεγων τι υμιν δοκει περι του χριστου τινος υιος εστιν λεγουσιν αυτω του δαβιδ δαυιδ

9. Matthew 22:43
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KJV: He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
Greek: λεγει αυτοις πως ουν δαβιδ δαυιδ εν πνευματι κυριον αυτον καλει αυτον κυριον λεγων

10. Matthew 22:44
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KJV: The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Greek: ειπεν ο κυριος τω κυριω μου καθου εκ δεξιων μου εως αν θω τους εχθρους σου υποποδιον υποκατω των ποδων σου

11. Matthew 22:45
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KJV: If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Greek: ει ουν δαβιδ δαυιδ καλει αυτον κυριον πως υιος αυτου εστιν

12. Matthew 22:46
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KJV: And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
Greek: και ουδεις εδυνατο αυτω αποκριθηναι αυτω λογον ουδε ετολμησεν τις απ εκεινης της ημερας επερωτησαι αυτον ουκετι

13. Problem
What is problem here? One must recognize, as do the Pharisees and Jesus, that David was referring to the "Christ" as his Lord one thousand years before Jesus the "Christ". Although the Pharisee's did not recognize Jesus as the "Christ", they did expect the Messiah the "Christ" to whom Jesus is referring.

14. Third person reflexive
Jesus is speaking here in a (reflexive) third person reference by Jesus to himself.

Some small children will do this (until re-learned) as in little Caleb saying about himself, "Caleb did it" rather than "I did it".

Sometimes people will ask a question but not want everyone listening to know that it is their question. Their question my be preceded by something like the following.

15. Diagram
Let us look at a diagram of the situation of David and the Christ the Lord. Lord, David, ChristSince the end nodes (left and right) are the same (from the verses), let us redraw the diagram by merging those nodes. Christ and David as catch-22Do you now see the "catch-22" situation that requires thinking "outside the box"?

16. Outside the box
One way of thinking outside the box to resolve this "catch-22" is as follows.

Jesus is God and has existed before the foundations of the world and after the world as we know it ends.

17. Hebrews 13:8
   Hebrews 13:8 
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KJV: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Greek: ιησους χριστος χθες εχθες και σημερον ο αυτος και εις τους αιωνας
Wycliffe: Jhesu Crist, yistirdai, and to dai, he is also into worldis.
Tyndale: Iesus Christ yesterdaye and to daye and the same continueth for ever.
Geneva: Remember them which haue the ouersight of you, which haue declared vnto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering what hath bene the ende of their conuersation. Iesus Christ yesterday, and to day, the same also is for euer.
Luther: Jesus Christus gestern und heute und derselbe auch in Ewigkeit.
Russian: Иисус Христос вчера и сегодня и во веки Тот же.

18. Yesterday
The German word "gestern""yesterday". Many Germanic words with a hard "g" changed in English over time to start with a "y" sound. So German "Gestern" (yesterday) became English "yester-day" or, as in the above verse, the Middle English word "yesterdaye""yesterday" or the Middle English word "yistirdai""yesterday".

The modern Greek word "εχθές" (eh-KHTHEHS) ≈ "yesterday" and has a shorted form where the epsilon "ε" is dropped as the modern Greek word "χθες" (hthehs) ≈ "yesterday".

Relationship comparison: "kthes" (Greek), "gest" (German), "yest" (English), "hyas" (Sanskrit), "hyah" (Hindi) All these words for "in the past" as in "yesterday" are related and from the PIE (Proto Indo-European) root "dgyes""yesterday" which appears to be from the PIE root "deg""day".

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