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Pluck out and cut off in Matthew related
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1. Pluck out and cut off in Matthew related























2. Matthew 5:29-30 Similar verses
Verse routeMatthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]
Verse route5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]

These verses in Matthew 5 are similar and yet different from the corresponding verses in Matthew 18.

3. Matthew 18:8-9 Similar verses
Verse routeMatthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. [kjv]
Verse route18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [kjv]

These verses in Matthew 18 are similar and yet different from the corresponding verses in Matthew 5.

To simply the analysis, only the "eye" verses will be used.

4. Pluck out and cut off in Matthew related
Verse routeMatthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]

Verse route18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [kjv]

These verses, one in Matthew 5 and one in Matthew 18 appear similar. Can you explain the similarity and differences? Are these verses saying the same thing? Are they saying something different?

5. Similar verses in Matthew
Verse routeMatthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]
Verse route18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [kjv]

Jesus uses a different Greek word in Matthew 5:29 than in Matthew 18:9. In both cases the KJV (King James Version) makes a value decision on which is more "profitable" or "better" whereas Jesus, as usual, does not make a value decision but appears to be providing two ways of saying something similar (or opposite). In Matthew 18:9 Jesus uses "good" or "right" for what is translated as "better".

As a reader, one should make a value decision but, in this case, the translators make the value decision for the reader.

6. Matthew 5:29 Carried together
Verse routeMatthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]
Verse routeει δε ο οφθαλμος σου ο δεξιος σκανδαλιζει σε εξελε αυτον και βαλε απο σου συμφερει γαρ σοι ινα αποληται εν των μελων σου και μη ολον το σωμα σου βληθη εις γεενναν [gnt]

Carry togetherThe ancient Greek word "συμφέρω""bring together, work with, to be carried along with" and means, literally, "carry together".
The KJV translates this word as "profitable" while Jesus uses this word in the more literal sense of the before and after being "carried together". Here are the similar ideas "carried together" involving the "eye" at the start of each clause.

7. Matthew 18:9 Good and not carried together
Verse routeMatthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [kjv]
Verse routeκαι ει ο οφθαλμος σου σκανδαλιζει σε εξελε αυτον και βαλε απο σου καλον σοι εστιν μονοφθαλμον εις την ζωην εισελθειν η δυο οφθαλμους εχοντα βληθηναι εις την γεενναν του πυρος [gnt]

Matthew 18:9: "καλός""beautiful, good, right". The KJV translates this word as "better". Jesus does not use the Greek word for "carry together" here. Doing so would break the model of how he uses that word.

Here are the not similar ideas and not "carried together", involving the "eye" and then "you".

8. Similar verses in Matthew
Verse routeMatthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]
Verse route18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [kjv]

Matthew 5:29: Similar ideas "carried together" involving the "eye" at the start of each clause. Matthew 18:9: Not similar ideas and not "carried together", involving the "eye" and then "you". The Greek word for "carried together" had been used by Jesus three verses earlier.

9. Similar verses in Matthew
Verse routeMatthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]
Verse route18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [kjv]

Verse comparison summary: This pattern or model reinforces the idea that the use of "carry together" in 18:6, three verses earlier, should fit the model. The "he" can be "it" and matches the "one" "little one". This leads to Peter's insightful question about forgiving the one who entraps.
Verse route18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. [kjv]


10. Observations in Matthew
Verse routeMatthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]
Verse route18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [kjv]

The similarities become apparent with the following transformations.

11. Matthew 18:9 Questions and statements
Verse routeMatthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [kjv]
Verse routeκαι ει ο οφθαλμος σου σκανδαλιζει σε εξελε αυτον και βαλε απο σου καλον σοι εστιν μονοφθαλμον εις την ζωην εισελθειν η δυο οφθαλμους εχοντα βληθηναι εις την γεενναν του πυρος [gnt]

Question mark
English has ways to unambiguously express a question. In many languages, including Greek, a statement and a question are written in exactly the same way.
To make a statement a question, one raises the voice at the end of the statement. These non-written hints are not in the Greek text.

Greek word order: ... good (for/to) you is one-eye into the life go ...

This part of the verse can be either a statement or a question. Traditional translations have assumed that it is a statement.

12. Matthew 18:9 Question and answer
Verse routeMatthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [kjv]
Verse routeκαι ει ο οφθαλμος σου σκανδαλιζει σε εξελε αυτον και βαλε απο σου καλον σοι εστιν μονοφθαλμον εις την ζωην εισελθειν η δυο οφθαλμους εχοντα βληθηναι εις την γεενναν του πυρος [gnt]

What Jesus says can be either a statement or a question. To make it a statement, the Greek word for "or" needs to be translated as "rather than". Consider the second part of the verse. To support the first alternative being "better" the word for "or" is translated as "rather than". Let us now look at Matthew 5:29.

13. Question and answer
Verse routeMatthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]
Verse routeει δε ο οφθαλμος σου ο δεξιος σκανδαλιζει σε εξελε αυτον και βαλε απο σου συμφερει γαρ σοι ινα αποληται εν των μελων σου και μη ολον το σωμα σου βληθη εις γεενναν [gnt]

The word translated as "profitable" means "carry together" and is used by Jesus to say "carry these two (nearby) ideas together". Consider the second part of the verse. To support the first alternative being "profitable" the word for "carry together" is translated that way.

14. Rewrite
Simplified expressions: By DeMorgan's Law for propositional logic (i.e., truth table logic), from the mid 1800's, these are opposites. This can be useful for getting showing both sides of a conditional probability. In neither case is Jesus making a value judgment as to which is "better" or "expedient". It should be clear which is more "better" or "expedient" but that is implied and left to be inferred and not stated unequivocally.

15. Equivalence of the verses
Verse routeMatthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]

Verse route18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [kjv]

Though not apparent without logical analysis, the following parts of the above verses are opposites. Simplified expressions that say the same thing.

16. DeMorgan's Laws

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18. DeMorgan's laws
Expression tree for (! (a & b)) = ((! a) | (! b))
DeMorgan's laws are always useful for reasoning about programs, especially loops and conditional statements. Here is one of DeMorgan's laws.
a b | ( ! ( a & b ) ) = ( ( ! a ) | ( ! b ) ) --------------------------------------------- 0 0 | ( 1 ( 0 0 0 ) ) 1 ( ( 1 0 ) 1 ( 1 0 ) ) 0 1 | ( 1 ( 0 0 1 ) ) 1 ( ( 1 0 ) 1 ( 0 1 ) ) 1 0 | ( 1 ( 1 0 0 ) ) 1 ( ( 0 1 ) 1 ( 1 0 ) ) 1 1 | ( 0 ( 1 1 1 ) ) 1 ( ( 0 1 ) 0 ( 0 1 ) )

The extended truth table constitutes a proof of the law since all values under the "=" are 1. DeMorgan's laws can be used to flip the then part and else part of an if construct in an algebraic manner. Here are some equivalent ways.
if (a & b) { p2 } else { p1 } if (! (a & b)) { p1 } else { p2 } if ((!a) | (!b)) { p2 } else { p1 }


19. DeMorgan's laws
Expression tree for (! (a | b)) = ((! a) & (! b))
Here is another way to express DeMorgan's laws.
a b | ( ! ( a | b ) ) = ( ( ! a ) & ( ! b ) ) --------------------------------------------- 0 0 | ( 1 ( 0 0 0 ) ) 1 ( ( 1 0 ) 1 ( 1 0 ) ) 0 1 | ( 0 ( 0 1 1 ) ) 1 ( ( 1 0 ) 0 ( 0 1 ) ) 1 0 | ( 0 ( 1 1 0 ) ) 1 ( ( 0 1 ) 0 ( 1 0 ) ) 1 1 | ( 0 ( 1 1 1 ) ) 1 ( ( 0 1 ) 0 ( 0 1 ) )

The extended truth table constitutes a proof of the law since all values under the "=" are 1. DeMorgan's laws can be used to flip the then part and else part of an if construct in an algebraic manner. Here are some equivalent ways.
if (a | b) { p 2 } else { p1 } if (! (a | b)) { p1 } else { p2 } if ((!a) & (!b)) { p2 } else { p1 }


20. DeMorgan's Laws
It appears that DeMorgan's Law is needed to fully analyze what Jesus says about mammon in Matthew 6:24.

Information sign More: Matthew 6:24 A wealth of logical ideas on mammon

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