Send Close Add comments: (status displays here)
Got it!  This site "creationpie.com" uses cookies. You consent to this by clicking on "Got it!" or by continuing to use this website.  Note: This appears on each machine/browser from which this site is accessed.
Going out of existence of corruption and decay
by RS  admin@creationpie.com : 1024 x 640


1. Going out of existence of corruption and decay
Today, the English word "corruption" has narrowed to people accepting bribes or otherwise cheating the system.
In computer systems, a "corrupted" file is one whose contents have been changed. In thermodynamic terms, an increase of disorder or entropy over time is associated with corruption.

The original meaning in Greek is that of passing out of existence. Let us look at verses in the LXX (Septuagint) and GNT (Greek New Testament) with this meaning in mind. The Latin word "corruptio""corruption, bribery" and has influenced the KJV (King James Version) and other translations.

The idea of "existence" requires the idea of "information" or a "knowledge" that something "exists" and then does "not exist".

2. Exponential decay
A mathematical function that shows exponential decay eventually goes to zero (or a minimum point) that can be compared with going "out of existence".

3. Corruption
The modern Greek word "φθοράς" (ftho-RAS) ≈ "wear" as in wear and tear over time.

4. Exodus 18:17-18
Verse routeExodus 18:17 And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good. [kjv]
Verse routeειπεν δε ο γαμβρος μωυση προς αυτον ουκ ορθως συ ποιεις το ρημα τουτο [lxx]
Verse route18:18 Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone. [kjv]
Verse routeφθορα καταφθαρηση ανυπομονητω και συ και πας ο λαος ουτος ος εστιν μετα σου βαρυ σοι το ρημα τουτο ου δυνηση ποιειν μονος [lxx]

The Greek for "good" is that of doing it "rightly". That is the human opinion of Jethro, the father-in-law of Moses. Jethro then convinces Moses to, instead of using the flat hierarchy of Jesus, to use the nested hierarchy of man - a human sand infrastructure.

Information sign More: Exodus 18: Hierarchy as a man-made tree structure

5. Structure comparison
Jesus shallow structure - rock Human deep structure - sand
Shallow 0 Org tree2
Vine 0 Tree with twigs - no fruit
The deep tree structure of the Temple started with Moses on the advice of Jethro. By the time of Jesus it was a huge tree of compulsive rules and regulations.

Information sign More: Exodus 18: Hierarchy as a man-made tree structure
Information sign More: Some shallow and yet deep ideas about organizational structure

6. Exodus 18:17
   Exodus 18:17 
 All 
KJV: And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good.
Hebrew: ויאמר חתן משה אליו לא טוב הדבר אשר אתה עשה׃
Greek: ειπεν δε ο γαμβρος μωυση προς αυτον ουκ ορθως συ ποιεις το ρημα τουτο

7. Exodus 18:18
   Exodus 18:18 
 All 
KJV: Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone.
Hebrew: נבל תבל גם אתה גם העם הזה אשר עמך כי כבד ממך הדבר לא תוכל עשהו לבדך׃
Greek: φθορα καταφθαρηση ανυπομονητω και συ και πας ο λαος ουτος ος εστιν μετα σου βαρυ σοι το ρημα τουτο ου δυνηση ποιειν μονος

8. Psalms 103:4
Verse routePsalms 103:4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; [kjv]
Verse routeτον λυτρουμενον εκ φθορας την ζωην σου τον στεφανουντα σε εν ελεει και οικτιρμοις [lxx]

Is "destruction" the same as "passing out of existence"?

Discuss: How might the idea of "resurrection" change the distinction?

9. Psalms 103:4
   Psalms 103:4 
 All 
KJV: Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;
Hebrew: הגואל משחת חייכי המעטרכי חסד ורחמים׃
Greek: τον λυτρουμενον εκ φθορας την ζωην σου τον στεφανουντα σε εν ελεει και οικτιρμοις

10. Isaiah and Revelation
Verse routeIsaiah 24:3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word. [kjv]
Verse routeφθορα φθαρησεται η γη και προνομη προνομευθησεται η γη το γαρ στομα κυριου ελαλησεν ταυτα [lxx]



Sword horizontalGod "created" by the "word" of his "mount". God can "destroy" or have "pass out of existence" by the "word" of his "mouth".
Verse routeRevelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. [kjv]
Verse routeκαι εκ του στοματος αυτου εκπορευεται ρομφαια οξεια ινα εν αυτη παταξη τα εθνη και αυτος ποιμανει αυτους εν ραβδω σιδηρα και αυτος πατει την ληνον του οινου του θυμου της οργης του θεου του παντοκρατορος [gnt]


11. A peace of the mouth of the sword
Verse routeRevelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. [kjv]
Verse routeκαι εχων εν τη δεξια χειρι αυτου αστερας επτα και εκ του στοματος αυτου ρομφαια διστομος οξεια εκπορευομενη και η οψις αυτου ως ο ηλιος φαινει εν τη δυναμει αυτου [gnt]

Sword horizontalThe ancient Greek word "στόμα""mouth" and could mean the "face", source of a body of water, opening in the earth, the front opening of something, etc. An interesting idiom in the Greek is that of letting the "mouth of the sword" do the talking. This might be similar to saying "let my sword do the talking".

The "sword" here is, literally, a "two" "mouth" "sword".

Information sign More: A peace of the mouth of the sword

12. Isaiah 24:3
   Isaiah 24:3 
 All 
KJV: The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.
Hebrew: הבוק תבוק הארץ והבוז תבוז כי יהוה דבר את הדבר הזה׃
Greek: φθορα φθαρησεται η γη και προνομη προνομευθησεται η γη το γαρ στομα κυριου ελαλησεν ταυτα

13. Revelation 19:15
 All 
KJV: And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Greek: και εκ του στοματος αυτου εκπορευεται ρομφαια οξεια ινα εν αυτη πατασση παταξη τα εθνη και αυτος ποιμανει αυτους εν ραβδω σιδηρα και αυτος πατει την ληνον του οινου του θυμου και της οργης του θεου του παντοκρατορος

14. Jonah 2:6
Verse routeJonah 2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. [kjv]
Verse routeκατεβην εις γην ης οι μοχλοι αυτης κατοχοι αιωνιοι και αναβητω φθορα ζωης μου κυριε ο θεος μου [lxx]

Did Jonah see his "life" being brought back from passing "out of existence" in same way?

Jonah presents the story in a series of going "down" in many steps until he hits the "bottom" of the "bottom".

15. Jonah 2:6
   Jonah 2:6 
 All 
KJV: I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
Hebrew: לקצבי הרים ירדתי הארץ ברחיה בעדי לעולם ותעל משחת חיי יהוה אלהי׃
Greek: κατεβην εις γην ης οι μοχλοι αυτης κατοχοι αιωνιοι και αναβητω φθορα ζωης μου κυριε ο θεος μου

16. Micah 2:10
Verse routeMicah 2:10 Arise ye, and depart; for this is not your rest: because it is polluted, it shall destroy you, even with a sore destruction. [kjv]
Verse routeαναστηθι και πορευου οτι ουκ εστιν σοι αυτη η αναπαυσις ενεκεν ακαθαρσιας διεφθαρητε φθορα [lxx]

The LXX has Micah using the word for "passing out of existence" twice.

17. Micah 2:10
   Micah 2:10 
 All 
KJV: Arise ye, and depart; for this is not your rest: because it is polluted, it shall destroy you, even with a sore destruction.
Hebrew: קומו ולכו כי לא זאת המנוחה בעבור טמאה תחבל וחבל נמרץ׃
Greek: αναστηθι και πορευου οτι ουκ εστιν σοι αυτη η αναπαυσις ενεκεν ακαθαρσιας διεφθαρητε φθορα

18. Romans 8:21
Verse routeRomans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [kjv]
Verse routeοτι και αυτη η κτισις ελευθερωθησεται απο της δουλειας της φθορας εις την ελευθεριαν της δοξης των τεκνων του θεου [gnt]

Parts above and belowThis is part of Romans 8 that is "before" the battle cry verse of "If God is for us, who can be against us!" where the words for "for" and "against" come through the Latin.


Information sign More: Romans 8: Battle cry separation for the love of Christ (part 1)

19. Romans 8:21
   Romans 8:21 
 All 
KJV: Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Greek: οτι και αυτη η κτισις ελευθερωθησεται απο της δουλειας της φθορας εις την ελευθεριαν της δοξης των τεκνων του θεου

20. 1 Corinthians 15:42 Resurrection
Verse route1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: [kjv]
Verse routeουτως και η αναστασις των νεκρων σπειρεται εν φθορα εγειρεται εν αφθαρσια [gnt]

Discuss: How is the idea of "resurrection" of the "dead" related to "passing out of existence" and "passing back into existence"?

21. 1 Corinthians 15:42
 All 
KJV: So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
Greek: ουτως και η αναστασις των νεκρων σπειρεται εν φθορα εγειρεται εν αφθαρσια

22. Lamentations 3:63 Rising up
Verse routeLamentations 3:63 Behold their sitting down, and their rising up; I am their musick. [kjv]
Verse routeκαθεδραν αυτων και αναστασιν αυτων επιβλεψον επι τους οφθαλμους αυτων [lxx]

The ancient Greek word "ἀνάστασις""standing up, making someone move, resurrection" and is the source of the English name "Anastasia" with the shorter form "Stacy".

23. Lamentations 3:63
 All 
KJV: Behold their sitting down, and their rising up; I am their musick.
Hebrew: שבתם וקימתם הביטה אני מנגינתם׃
Greek: καθεδραν αυτων και αναστασιν αυτων επιβλεψον επι τους οφθαλμους αυτων

24. 1 Corinthians 15:50
Verse route1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. [kjv]
Verse routeτουτο δε φημι αδελφοι οτι σαρξ και αιμα βασιλειαν θεου κληρονομησαι ου δυναται ουδε η φθορα την αφθαρσιαν κληρονομει [gnt]

Double edge sword meaningHow about "water" and "blood"?


Information sign More: The security of flaming swords
Information sign More: No sword no shoes no service on the way

25. 1 Corinthians 15:50
 All 
KJV: Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Greek: τουτο δε φημι αδελφοι οτι σαρξ και αιμα βασιλειαν θεου κληρονομησαι ου δυνανται δυναται ουδε η φθορα την αφθαρσιαν κληρονομει

26. Galatians 6:8
Verse routeGalatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. [kjv]
Verse routeοτι ο σπειρων εις την σαρκα εαυτου εκ της σαρκος θερισει φθοραν ο δε σπειρων εις το πνευμα εκ του πνευματος θερισει ζωην αιωνιον [gnt]
Verse routecorruptionem … [v]


27. Galatians 6:8
 All 
KJV: For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Greek: οτι ο σπειρων εις την σαρκα εαυτου εκ της σαρκος θερισει φθοραν ο δε σπειρων εις το πνευμα εκ του πνευματος θερισει ζωην αιωνιον
Latin: quae enim seminaverit homo haec et metet quoniam qui seminat in carne sua de carne et metet corruptionem qui autem seminat in spiritu de spiritu metet vitam aeternam

28. Colossians 2:21-22
Verse routeColossians 2:21 Touch not; taste not; handle not; [kjv]
Verse routeμη αψη μηδε γευση μηδε θιγης [gnt]

Verse route2:22 Which all are to perish with the using; after the commandments and doctrines of men? [kjv]
Verse routeα εστιν παντα εις φθοραν τη αποχρησει κατα τα ενταλματα και διδασκαλιας των ανθρωπων [gnt]


29. Colossians 2:21
 All 
KJV: Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Greek: μη αψη μηδε γευση μηδε θιγης

30. Colossians 2:22
 All 
KJV: Which all are to perish with the using; after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Greek: α εστιν παντα εις φθοραν τη αποχρησει κατα τα ενταλματα και διδασκαλιας των ανθρωπων

31. Three monkeys proverb
An old proverb invokes the following.
This is sometimes known as the three-monkeys principle or the three wise monkeys, from ancient Japanese carvings, India's Mahatma Gandhi, and perhaps from other sources.

Information sign More: Song: Open my eyes that I may see

32. 2 Peter 1:4 Common partakers
Verse route2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. [kjv]
Verse routeδι ων τα τιμια και μεγιστα ημιν επαγγελματα δεδωρηται ινα δια τουτων γενησθε θειας κοινωνοι φυσεως αποφυγοντες της εν τω κοσμω εν επιθυμια φθορας [gnt]

The English word "partakers" from the modern Greek word "κοινωνοί" (kee-no-NEE) ≈ "social" as in societal fellowship or community.

The term "Koine" Greek means the common or social Greek language. In the same manner "Vulgar" Latin is the common or social Latin language. And, in the same manner, in the time of Jesus, "Aramaic" was the common or social Hebrew language.

33. 2 Peter 1:4

   2 Peter 1:4 
 All 
KJV: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Greek: δι ων τα τιμια και μεγιστα ημιν και τιμια επαγγελματα δεδωρηται ινα δια τουτων γενησθε θειας κοινωνοι φυσεως αποφυγοντες της εν τω κοσμω εν επιθυμια φθορας
Latin: per quae maxima et pretiosa nobis promissa donavit ut per haec efficiamini divinae consortes naturae fugientes eius quae in mundo est concupiscentiae corruptionem

34. Strongs - common

35. Usage - common
*G2844 *10 κοινωνός (koy-no-nos') : from G2839; a sharer, i.e. associate:--companion, X fellowship, partaker, partner.
Word usage per chapter Words: κοινωνοι=6 κοινωνον κοινωνος=2 κοινωνους


36. Divine nature
Verse route2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. [kjv]
Verse routeδι ων τα τιμια και μεγιστα ημιν επαγγελματα δεδωρηται ινα δια τουτων γενησθε θειας κοινωνοι φυσεως αποφυγοντες της εν τω κοσμω εν επιθυμια φθορας [gnt]

The "divine nature" is the "divine reality".

The Greek term for "nature" is the modern Greek word "φύσεως" (FEE-seh-os) ≈ "physics" and is the source of the English word "physics" - the reality of the world around us - science.

37. Strongs - nature

38. Usage - nature
*G5449 *14 φύσις (foo'-sis) : from G5453; growth (by germination or expansion), i.e. (by implication) natural production (lineal descent); by extension, a genus or sort; figuratively, native disposition, constitution or usage:--(man-)kind, nature(-al).
Word usage per chapter Words: φυσει=5 φυσεως=2 φυσιν=5 φυσις=2


39. Strongs - corruption

40. Usage - corruption
*G5356 *9 φθορά (fthor-ah') : from G5351; decay, i.e. ruin (spontaneous or inflicted, literally or figuratively):--corruption, destroy, perish.
Word usage per chapter Words: φθορα=3 φθοραν=3 φθορας=3


41. 2 Peter 2:12
Verse route2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; [kjv]
Verse routeουτοι δε ως αλογα ζωα γεγεννημενα φυσικα εις αλωσιν και φθοραν εν οις αγνοουσιν βλασφημουντες εν τη φθορα αυτων και φθαρησονται [gnt]

The KJV translates as "brute beast" a Greek word that as a military term meant a "magnificent war horse".

Information sign More: Brute beasts and magnificent war horses

42. 2 Peter 2:12
   2 Peter 2:12 
 All 
KJV: But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Greek: ουτοι δε ως αλογα ζωα γεγεννημενα φυσικα γεγενημενα εις αλωσιν και φθοραν εν οις αγνοουσιν βλασφημουντες εν τη φθορα αυτων καταφθαρησονται και φθαρησονται

43. 2 Peter 2:19
Verse route2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. [kjv]
Verse routeελευθεριαν αυτοις επαγγελλομενοι αυτοι δουλοι υπαρχοντες της φθορας ω γαρ τις ηττηται τουτω δεδουλωται [gnt]


44. 2 Peter 2:19
   2 Peter 2:19 
 All 
KJV: While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
Greek: ελευθεριαν αυτοις επαγγελλομενοι αυτοι δουλοι υπαρχοντες της φθορας ω γαρ τις ηττηται τουτω και δεδουλωται

45. Isaiah 51:6 Wear and tear
Verse routeIsaiah 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. [kjv]
Verse routeαρατε εις τον ουρανον τους οφθαλμους υμων και εμβλεψατε εις την γην κατω οτι ο ουρανος ως καπνος εστερεωθη η δε γη ως ιματιον παλαιωθησεται οι δε κατοικουντες την γην ωσπερ ταυτα αποθανουνται το δε σωτηριον μου εις τον αιωνα εσται η δε δικαιοσυνη μου ου μη εκλιπη [lxx]

A good analogy for "corruption" is that of the wear and tear of a garment over time.

46. Isaiah 51:6
   Isaiah 51:6 
 All 
KJV: Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.
Hebrew: שאו לשמים עיניכם והביטו אל הארץ מתחת כי שמים כעשן נמלחו והארץ כבגד תבלה וישביה כמו כן ימותון וישועתי לעולם תהיה וצדקתי לא תחת׃
Greek: αρατε εις τον ουρανον τους οφθαλμους υμων και εμβλεψατε εις την γην κατω οτι ο ουρανος ως καπνος εστερεωθη η δε γη ως ιματιον παλαιωθησεται οι δε κατοικουντες την γην ωσπερ ταυτα αποθανουνται το δε σωτηριον μου εις τον αιωνα εσται η δε δικαιοσυνη μου ου μη εκλιπη

47. Thermodynamics as a puzzle
Puzzle 1 Puzzle
How likely is it that when dropping puzzle pieces onto a table, the puzzle is assembled instead of being a random pile of pieces?
Thermodynamics is the study of heat as "thermo" and movement as "dynamic". For the law of increasing order think of shuffling a deck of 52 cards. What is the probability that a shuffle will result in the deck being put back into order (e.g., in order, the sets hearts, spades, diamonds, and clubs, each from Ace to King )?

Information sign More: Entropy
Information sign More: The beginning and end of time

48. Lust
The English word "lust" today has narrowed from the original meaning in Old English and in Greek as «επιθυμια» which means desire. Any narrowing, such as physical desires or sexual desires, must be inferred from context or from specifically stated adjectives.

The "lust" or "desire" here appears to be the "desire" of Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil though which the world is cursed with corruption - growing old and dying.

49. Strongs - out of existence

50. Usage - out of existence
*G1939 *37 ἐπιθυμία (ep-ee-thoo-mee'-ah) : from G1937; a longing (especially for what is forbidden):--concupiscence, desire, lust (after).
Word usage per chapter Words: επιθυμια=8 επιθυμιαι επιθυμιαις=10 επιθυμιαν=5 επιθυμιας=12 επιθυμιων


51. End of page

by RS  admin@creationpie.com : 1024 x 640