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A reproof on the use of the word reproof
1. A reproof on the use of the word reproof
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [kjv]
πασα γραφη θεοπνευστος και ωφελιμος προς διδασκαλιαν προς ελεγμον προς επανορθωσιν προς παιδειαν την εν δικαιοσυνη [gnt]
omnis scriptura divinitus inspirata et … docendum … arguendum … corrigendum … erudiendum … iustitia [v]
Many people assume that all scripture is good for "
reproof" as in good for "
admonishing" someone.
The Greek word translated as "
reproof" meant more of an "
argument of disproof" as in nicely showing someone the error in their reasoning using "
evidence". The Latin Vulgate word is
"argumentum" ≈ "argument, evidence, proof",
The Greek word for "
refutation" is part of the title of the work by Aristotle called
Sophistic Refutations.
2. Argument
There are (at least) two meanings of "
argument".
One meaning is that of a disagreement.
Another meaning is that of a logical discussion.
There is a fine line between the two. A legal argument is a (somewhat) logical discussion but is between two (or more) parties that disagree on something.
3. Engineers
Engineer: "
I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I'm right.".
Others, especially spouses, may not be amused (but have to live with it every day).
4. Functions and procedures
In programming language terminology, the terms "
argument" and "
parameter" can be used interchangeably
The "actual" parameter/argument is an actual value passed to a function or procedure.
The "formal" parameter/argument is a placeholder in the function or procedure that, when called, is matched with the actual parameter/argument.
It is much easier and more clear to use the terms "
actual" and "
formal" than to try to, for example, call an "
actual" an "
argument" and a "
formal" a "
parameter".
5. Geometry
Some students in geometry class think that the English word "
reproof" means that they must do their "
proof" over again.
6. Reproof
7. Correction
At one time, the English word
"reproof" could have a meaning of just "
correction" but the negative connotation appears to be common.
8. Reprobate
9. Reproof and admonish
The word "reproof" is sometimes associated with the Greek word for "admonish" which is the source of "Nouthetic" in "Nouthetic counseling".
10. Nouthetic counseling: Having peace of mind or giving piece of mind
2 Thessalonians 3:15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. [kjv]
και μη ως εχθρον ηγεισθε αλλα νουθετειτε ως αδελφον [gnt]
… corripite … [v]
In English, there is a big difference between "
having peace of mind" and "
giving piece of mind".
Nouthetic counseling is based on the Greek word for "
admonish" which means, literally, a "
piece of mind" and not "
peace of mind".
11. Latin
As a preposition the Latin word
"re" ≈ "about, regarding".
The "
re:" is not an abbreviation but is used as a response to an email message which is "
regarding" the message of which the response message is "
about". The convention started in the age of paper with business correspondence.
Although the "
re:" comes from the Latin, many people think of it as "
response" or "
regarding" or "
in reference to" or "
reply".
12. English
In English, the prefix "
re" is often taken as a word for emphasis or about a thing or matter.
The Latin word
"res" ≈ "thing, matter, topic".
The word "research" means to search harder.
The word "replenish" meant to "fill up" even for the first time, but as a priority.
The word "reprove" could mean to "prove" but as a priority.
13. Ancient Greek
The word that the
KJV (King James Version) translates as "
reproof" is not the same word as for "
admonish".
The ancient Greek word
"ἔλεγχος" ≈ "argument of disproof, reproach". The "
reproach" appears to have been influenced and by subsequent theologians and translations of this word from the
GNT (Greek New Testament).
It appears that the meaning should be that of "
argument of disproof" but, for historical and theological reasons is that of "
reproach". The "
argument of disproof" is that of logically showing that something is not valid. The "
reproach" has a more negative and pejorative implication.
14. Strongs - reproof
- *G1650 *2 ἔλεγχος (el'-eng-khos) : from G1651; proof, conviction:--evidence, reproof.
- ελεγμον
- 2 Timothy 3:16 ... for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for ...
- ελεγχος
- Hebrews 11:1 ... is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
15. Modern Greek
16. Hebrews 11:1
KJV: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Greek: εστιν δε πιστις ελπιζομενων υποστασις πραγματων ελεγχος ου βλεπομενων
Latin: est autem fides sperandorum substantia rerum argumentum non parentum
Wycliffe: But feith is the substaunce of thingis that ben to be hopid, and an argument of thingis not apperynge.
Tyndale: Fayth is a sure confidence of thynges which are hoped for and a certayntie of thynges which are not sene.
Geneva: Now faith is the grounds of things, which are hoped for, and the euidence of things which are not seene.
17. Comparison
18. Strongs - admonish
- *G1651 *18 ἐλέγχω (el-eng'-kho) : of uncertain affinity; to confute, admonish:--convict, convince, tell a fault, rebuke, reprove.
- ελεγχε *3
- 1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others ...
- Titus 1:13 ... is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that ...
- Titus 2:15 ... and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. ...
- ελεγξον *2
- Matthew 18:15 ... go and tell him his fault between thee ...
- 2 Timothy 4:2 ... be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with ...
- ελεγχομενος *2
- Luke 3:19 But Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for ...
- Hebrews 12:5 ... of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
- ελεγχομενοι *2
- John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, ...
- James 2:9 ... ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
- ελεγχετε *2
- Ephesians 5:11 ... of darkness, but rather reprove them.
- Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
- ελεγχθη
- John 3:20 ... lest his deeds should be reproved.
- ελεγξει
- John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, ...
- ελεγχεται
- 1 Corinthians 14:24 ... that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged ...
- ελεγχομενα
- Ephesians 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: ...
- ελεγχειν
- Titus 1:9 ... both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
- ελεγξαι
- Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince ...
- ελεγχω
- Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous ...
19. Argument of disproof
Let us move from the narrowed meaning of a derived word and go back to the original word that meant "
argument of disproof" as found in two verses in the
GNT.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [kjv]
πασα γραφη θεοπνευστος και ωφελιμος προς διδασκαλιαν προς ελεγμον προς επανορθωσιν προς παιδειαν την εν δικαιοσυνη [gnt]
omnis scriptura divinitus inspirata et … docendum … arguendum … corrigendum … erudiendum … iustitia [v]
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [kjv]
20. Latin
21. Wording
Which sounds better "
regarding" Hebrews 11:1?
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the reproof of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the argument of disproof of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the proof of things not seen.
Which sounds better "
regarding" 2 Timothy 3:16?
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable ... for reproof ...
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable ... for evidence ...
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable ... for argument of disproof ...
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable ... for proof ...
22. Proof
The "
proof" or "
argument of disproof" fits in with 1 Peter 3:15.
1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: [kjv]
23. Meekness
The important part is "
with meekness" but realizing that both Jesus and Moses are described as "
meek".
Logician: "
I'm not arguing. I'm just using logic to prove a point.".
Try not to "
clobber people with logic".
24. 1 Peter 3:15
KJV: But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Greek: κυριον δε τον θεον χριστον αγιασατε εν ταις καρδιαις υμων ετοιμοι δε αει προς απολογιαν παντι τω αιτουντι υμας λογον περι της εν υμιν ελπιδος αλλα μετα πραυτητος και φοβου
Latin: Dominum autem Christum sanctificate in cordibus vestris parati semper ad satisfactionem omni poscenti vos rationem de ea quae in vobis est spe
Wycliffe: But halewe ye the Lord Crist in youre hertis, and euermore be ye redi to satisfaccioun to ech man axynge you resoun of that feith and hope that is in you,
Luther: Heiliget aber Gott den Herrn in euren Herzen. Seid aber allezeit bereit zur Verantwortung jedermann, der Grund fordert der Hoffnung, die in euch ist,
25. Answer and reason
1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: [kjv]
The word for "answer" comes from the Greek word «απολογία» from which we get the word apologetics.
The word for "reason" comes from the Greek word «λόγος» from which we get the words logic and logical.
At the time this was written, the Greek word for "
answer" was a legal term as in a legal defense.
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Details are left as a future topic.
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26. Strongs - answer
- *G627 *8 ἀπολογία (ap-ol-og-ee'-ah) : from the same as G626; a plea ("apology"):--answer (for self), clearing of self, defence.
- απολογια *3
- 1 Corinthians 9:3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
- Philippians 1:7 ... my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ...
- 2 Timothy 4:16 At my first answer no man stood with me, ...
- απολογιαν *3
- 2 Corinthians 7:11 ... it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, ...
- Philippians 1:16 The one preach Christ of contention, not ...
- 1 Peter 3:15 ... be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you ...
- απολογιας *2
- Acts 22:1 ... fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.
- Acts 25:16 ... and have licence to answer for himself concerning the crime laid against him.
27. Strongs - answer
- *G626 *10 ἀπολογέομαι (ap-ol-og-eh'-om-ahee) : middle voice from a compound of G575 and G3056; to give an account (legal plea) of oneself, i.e. exculpate (self):--answer (for self), make defence, excuse (self), speak for self.
- απολογεισθαι *2
- Acts 19:33 ... beckoned with the hand, and would have made his defence unto the people.
- Acts 26:2 ... king Agrippa, because I shall answer for myself this day before thee ...
- απολογουμενου *2
- Acts 25:8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law ...
- Acts 26:24 And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud ...
- απολογησησθε
- Luke 12:11 ... how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
- απολογηθηναι
- Luke 21:14 ... hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
- απολογουμαι
- Acts 24:10 ... unto this nation, I do the more cheerfully answer for myself:
- απελογειτο
- Acts 26:1 ... Paul stretched forth the hand, and answered for himself:
- απολογουμενων
- Romans 2:15 ... the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
- απολογουμεθα
- 2 Corinthians 12:19 Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before ...
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