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Wesleyan Quadrilateral
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1. Wesleyan Quadrilateral

2. Leap years
February 29 Leap Day
The Romans started their year in the spring with March. Winter months were added later with February 28 as the end of the year.

Later, the beginning of the year was moved to January 1.
Julius Caesar added one day to February every four year in the Julian Calendar.

To fix small errors, the Gregorian calendar adds the leap day using different rules.

Currently, the Julian calendar used by the Eastern Orthodox church is 13 days different than the Gregorian calendar. In 1752 when the United States changed, it was 11 days different.

[Benjamin Franklin]

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3. Sola scriptura
The Latin phrase "sola scriptura""by scripture alone" is the idea that Bible truth can be derived from scripture alone.
Of course, since humans decide what scripture is the be included in the canon, this can effect the derived meaning.

Example: Disputed James and Hebrews put into the canon. Disputed Barnabas excluded.

4. William of Ockham, Martin Luther, John Wesley

William of Ockham (1285-1347), as in "Ockham's Razor", had an idea of "sola scripture".

Martin Luther (1483-1546) promoted "sola scriptura" as the Catholic Church often put "church tradition" above the scripture.

So did John Wesley (1703-1791), co-founder of Methodism. Apparently so did his brother Charles Wesley (1707-1788).

5. The ring of the welkins
The song "Hark the herald welkins ring" was written by Charles Wesley (1707-1788), who helped found the Methodists and who wrote thousands of hymns.
The "welkin" is the heaven or sky or cloud. George Whitfield, a co-founder of Methodism, changed the words that Charles Wesley, a co-founder of Methodism, had written. Wesley was not happy. Ever since, songs have the angels singing even though this is not found in the Bible (except in part of Revelation).

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6. Wesleyan Quadrilateral
Albert Outler
The phrase Wesleyan Quadrilateral was coined by American Methodist theologian Albert Outler (1908-1969) to describe how John Wesley (1703-1791), co-founder of Methodism, organized belief. The four parts are as follows.
It appears that problems can arise when lower level aspects such as experience are used to take precedence over what scripture appears to clearly state.

These lower-level ideas (2, 3, 4) were to be used only when scripture (1) itself was not clear.

7. Quadrilateral types
It appears that Outler did not intend to put the ideas into diagram form. However, when one uses a geometric figure term as an idea, one will see geometric figures for those ideas. Thus, one may have issues trying to use precise logic with the ideas.

In the case of a quadrilateral, there are eight (8) different types (depending on how one organizes them).
 
What did the circle say to the square on the bus?
Why did the rhombus break up with the triangle?

8. Wesleyan Quadrilateral

Though Outler did not intend to put the ideas into diagram from, the way diagrams depict the ideas may help or may be misleading. In some diagrams, the precedence of each part may not be evident.

9. Methodist understanding
In United Methodist understanding, both laypeople and clergy alike share in "our theological task." Wikipedia. (as of 2024-01-29)
Small groups to discuss the pastor's sermon, look at ways to bring the concepts of the church to life by actual interactions with other humans.

Warming of the heart. Emotional component not present in the bigger church organizations.

10. Pietism
Pietism. Popular in late 1600's until mid 1700's. Put life back into the dry top-down control structure. Priesthood of all believers.

When Wesley encountered the Moravians (after first failed experience in America), he developed additional ideas.

Future topic Details are left as a future topic.


11. The Christian Hedonism fallacy
Desiring God: Meditations of a Christian Hedonist
Christian Hedonism is a phrase coined about 1986 by John Piper and appeared in his book Desiring God: Meditations of a Christian Hedonist .
His summary of the concept is that "God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him.". John Piper is currently Chancellor of Bethlehem College and Seminary in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

A leading figure in Christian Hedonism today is American evangelical and Christian pastor Matt Chandler and his church based in Flower Mound, Texas.

[PIT fallacy]

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12. Rick Warden
Here are the five main points (just the claimed false points) of Rick Warden's outlining of Five Heresies of Christian Hedonism from his blog of January 25, 2017. Each idea is from Piper's writings. http://templestream.blogspot.com/2017/01/christian-hedonisms-false-dichotomy.html (as of 2024-02-24)

Note that while Warden calls these false points, a better way to phrase it would be that the Bible does not appear to support the ideas claimed by Piper. It is up to each person to decide, based on the evidence, whether the claims in the book are valid. There may be undesirable consequences for certain answers.

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13. James 4:3
Verse routeJames 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. [kjv]
Verse routeαιτειτε και ου λαμβανετε διοτι κακως αιτεισθε ινα εν ταις ηδοναις υμων δαπανησητε [gnt]

In the previous verse, they were not "asking". In this verse, they are "asking" badly. Is James saying that if we "ask" in the right way, we will get what we "ask" for? What's the "ask"?

The KJV (King James Version) translates as "amiss" a Greek word that means "bad". These words are used by Jesus to refer to those who have fallen and need the Good News.

The ancient Greek word "ἡδονή""delight, pleasure, taste"and is the source of the English word "hedonism".

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14. James 4:4 Enemies of God
Verse routeJames 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. [kjv]
Verse routeμοιχαλιδες ουκ οιδατε οτι η φιλια του κοσμου εχθρα του θεου εστιν ος εαν ουν βουληθη φιλος ειναι του κοσμου εχθρος του θεου καθισταται [gnt]

This appears to be a (not uncommon) converse logical error by James. The Greek phrase «του θεου» appears in 496 verses in the GNT (Greek New Testament). In 494 verses this is translated as "of God" or "of ... God" (with an adjective, etc.). There are only 2 places where this is translated "with god". These are translated as "with God" for reasons that are not clear.

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15. Matt Chandler: The Beatitudes
A leading figure in Christian Hedonism today is American evangelical and Christian pastor Matt Chandler. Here is a description of his study of the Beatitudes.

What does it mean to be blessed? And, more importantly, how do we become someone who is blessed? The kind of life God is calling us to may not look the way we imagined, but it will be better than we could have hoped. In this eight-session series, pastor Matt Chandler takes us through the Beatitudes and shows us what it means to live in the kingdom of God. Through Jesus’s teaching, learn what a blessed life really looks like.

Do you see any hints of Christian Hedonism in the description? Note the following of the Greek words in the Beatitudes.

16. 2 Timothy 3:1,4-7 Review
Verse route2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. [kjv]

Verses 2-3: 15 words describing men. Verse 4 has 5, the last 2 a comparison.
Verse route3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; [kjv]
Verse routeπροδοται προπετεις τετυφωμενοι φιληδονοι μαλλον η φιλοθεοι [gnt]

Verse route3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. [kjv]

Verse route3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, [kjv]

Verse route3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. [kjv]



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