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Converse fallacy: If A then B does not mean If B then A
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1. Converse fallacy: If A then B does not mean If B then A
Before and after Attitude and behavior

In the converse fallacy, valid reasoning of the type "if A then B" is improperly reversed to be "if B then A". This fallacy happens often in real life and is used in marketing, sales, politics, pastors, etc. Sometimes it is deliberate deception. Sometimes the person using it has deceived themselves. Aristotle points out this reasoning fallacy in his Sophistic Refutations.

Other names for this fallacy include "hasty generalization", "affirming the consequent", "fallacy of accident". In this fallacy, what is "necessary" is not "sufficient".

2. Sophistic refutations
Book: On Sophistic Refutations
Aristotle wrote a book called On Sophistic Refutations in which he detailed the "false reasoning" used by Sophists (from the Greek word for "wisdom") who would use invalid logic to convince others of ideas to make money for themselves. In English, "sophistic" logic or "false reasoning" is "sophistry".

One of the many types of invalid logic detailed by Aristotle was "eristic" reasoning. Paul uses that word often but it is often translated, without the "bad logic" connection, as "strife"

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3. Aristotle: Sophistic Refutations
Before and after Attitude and behavior

English: The refutation connected with the consequent is due to the idea that consequence is convertible. (Loeb#400, p. 31)
Greek: Ὁ δὲ παρὰ τὸ ἑπόμενον ἔλεγχος διὰ τὸ οἴεσθαι ἀντιστρέφειν τὴν ἀκολούθησιν Sophistic Refutations [167a]
English: For whenever, if A is , B necessarily is, men also fancy that, if B is, A necessarily is. (Loeb#400, p. 31)
Greek: ὅταν γὰρ τοῦδε ὄντος ἐξ ἀνάγκης τόδε ᾖ, καὶ τοῦδε ὄντος οἴονται καὶ θάτερον εἶναι ἐξ ἀνάγκης Sophistic Refutations [167a]

4. Aristotle: Sophistic Refutations
Rain and ground wet Fever and hot

English: since it happens that the earth becomes drenched when it has rained, if it is drenched, we think that it has rained, though this is not necessarily true. (Loeb#400, p. 31)
Greek: καὶ ἐπεὶ συμβαίνει τὴν γῆν ὕσαντος γίνεσθαι διάβροχον, κἂν ᾖ διάβροχος, ὑπολαμβάνομεν ὗσαι. Τὸ δ´ οὐκ ἀναγκαῖον. Sophistic Refutations [167a]
English: any more than it follows that a man who is hot must be in a fever because a man who is in a fever is hot. (Loeb#400, p. 31)
Greek: γέγονεν, ὥσπερ οὐδ´ εἰ ὁ πυρέττων θερμός, καὶ τὸν θερμὸν ἀνάγκη πυρέττειν. Sophistic Refutations [167a]
Probabilistic Reasoning in Intelligent Systems Causality
Judea Pearl uses the same example about the rain and wet ground in his work.

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The ancient Greek word "οἶσθα""know, be acquainted with".
The ancient Greek word "οἶδα""know, be acquainted with".

5. Conditional probability
Spain and Spanish
One way to deceive people is to use conditional probabilities as if they go both ways equally.
  • The probability that one speaks Spanish given that one lives in Spain is very high.
  • The probability that one lives in Spain given that one speaks Spanish is very low.

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    6. Spanish and Spain
    Spain and Spanish Tails-tails
    The probability that someone speaks Spanish given that they live in Spain is very high.

    The probability that someone lives in Spain given that they speak Spanish is very low.

    This idea can be expressed as a decision tree and can be interpreted as the converse fallacy.


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    7. Knowing the material and getting an A
    Knowledge and grade

    Converse fallacy: A student thinks that if they can somehow wrangle points from the professor/teacher to get an "A" that they will be considered that they "know the material".

    Students often think that the teacher gives them a grade. It is best to clarify to the student that the teacher gives them the grade that they earned in the class.

    8. Psychology: attitude influences behavior
    Attitude and behavior
    In the field of psychology, one assumes that attitude predicts behavior. Since one cannot see attitude, one needs to infer attitude from behavior. This is the "converse fallacy" in disguise.
    In 1 Samuel 16:7, it is stated that man looks on the "outward appearance". Appearances can be deceiving. Humans tend to look at the outward appearance. God looks at the heart.

    Verse route1 Samuel 16:7 … for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. [kjv]

    Warning: Many modern psychology concepts started with Sigmund Freud who hated religion and the Bible and purposely introduced ideas to go against the Bible such as getting rid of guilt, shame, etc.

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    9. Faith and works
    Faith and Works
    Converse fallacy: The visible works a person does is used to infer the invisible faith of a person.
    Verse route1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. [kjv]
    Verse routeκαι ειπεν κυριος προς σαμουηλ μη επιβλεψης επι την οψιν αυτου μηδε εις την εξιν μεγεθους αυτου οτι εξουδενωκα αυτον οτι ουχ ως εμβλεψεται ανθρωπος οψεται ο θεος οτι ανθρωπος οψεται εις προσωπον ο δε θεος οψεται εις καρδιαν [lxx]

    The Greek for "appearance" is that of "face" which, in Greek, means what is "before the view".

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    10. 1 Samuel 16:7
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    KJV: But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
    Hebrew: ויאמר יהוה אל שמואל אל תבט אל מראהו ואל גבה קומתו כי מאסתיהו כי לא אשר יראה האדם כי האדם יראה לעינים ויהוה יראה ללבב׃
    Greek: και ειπεν κυριος προς σαμουηλ μη επιβλεψης επι την οψιν αυτου μηδε εις την εξιν μεγεθους αυτου οτι εξουδενωκα αυτον οτι ουχ ως εμβλεψεται ανθρωπος οψεται ο θεος οτι ανθρωπος οψεται εις προσωπον ο δε θεος οψεται εις καρδιαν

    11. James 2:17-18
    Faith and Works

    Verse routeJames 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. [kjv]
    Verse route2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. [kjv]

    Is it possible to show "faith" by "works"?

    Could one be deceived?

    Future topic Details are left as a future topic.


    12. James 2:17
       James 2:17 
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    KJV: Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
    Greek: ουτως και η πιστις εαν μη εργα εχη εργα νεκρα εστιν καθ εαυτην

    13. James 2:18
       James 2:18 
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    KJV: Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
    Greek: αλλ ερει τις συ πιστιν εχεις καγω εργα εχω δειξον μοι την πιστιν σου εκ χωρις των εργων σου καγω δειξω σοι δειξω εκ των εργων μου την πιστιν μου

    14. Matthew 24:23-25
    Verse routeMatthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. [kjv]
    Verse route24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. [kjv]
    Verse route24:25 Behold, I have told you before. [kjv]


    15. Matthew 24:23
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    KJV: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    Greek: τοτε εαν τις υμιν ειπη ιδου ωδε ο χριστος η ωδε μη πιστευσητε

    16. Matthew 24:24
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    KJV: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    Greek: εγερθησονται γαρ ψευδοχριστοι και ψευδοπροφηται και δωσουσιν σημεια μεγαλα και τερατα ωστε πλανησαι πλανασθαι ει δυνατον και τους εκλεκτους

    17. Matthew 24:25
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    KJV: Behold, I have told you before.
    Greek: ιδου προειρηκα υμιν

    18. Opinion as Glory
    Opinion as Glory
    The Greek word translated as "glory" form the Latin means, in the Greek, "opinion". Giving God "glory" means putting God's "opinion" before our own. Taking God's "glory" means substituting our own "glory" or "opinion" for God's "opinion".
    Converse fallacy: The visible opinion/glory a person gives to God can be seen and is used to infer the invisible opinion/glory that person gives to God.

    What do many churches do? How about, "Let's all stand up and give glory to God".

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    19. Love is the only way
    God is love and love as god God and Love


    The difference between "God is love" and "Love is god" can be subtle and deceptive - especially when spoken without the distinction between the one and only creator "God" and a "god" as in an idol or a desire.

    This fallacy is common, covered extensively by Aristotle, and called the converse fallacy as one of many names describing it.

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    20. Luke 7:30-31 Converse fallacy
    Verse routeLuke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him. [kjv]
    Verse routeοι δε φαρισαιοι και οι νομικοι την βουλην του θεου ηθετησαν εις εαυτους μη βαπτισθεντες υπ αυτου [gnt]
    Verse route7:31 And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like? [kjv]
    Verse routeτινι ουν ομοιωσω τους ανθρωπους της γενεας ταυτης και τινι εισιν ομοιοι [gnt]

    It is unlikely that they "rejected the counsel of God" because they were not "baptized".

    It is more likely that the were not "baptized" because they "rejected the counsel of God".

    Getting this backwards is called the "converse fallacy".

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    21. Gold
    All that is gold does not glitter. J. R. Tolkien (English author and philologist)

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    22. Wandering
    Not all those who wander are lost. J. R. Tolkien (English author and philologist)

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