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A security model for speaking in tongues
1. A tongue in cheek model for Pentecost
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. [kjv]
και ωφθησαν αυτοις διαμεριζομεναι γλωσσαι ωσει πυρος και εκαθισεν εφ ενα εκαστον αυτων [gnt]
… dispertitae linguae … [v]
At Pentecost, the Holy Spirit provided the impetus for "
speaking in tongues". To provide understanding, a model is presented of this phenomena with a
Universal Language from the creation, through the Tower of Babel, to Pentecost to Paul on the road to Damascus and to speaking in tongues in general.
The "
flame" that rested on each head may have special significance.
Discuss: Did Jesus ever speak in
tongues?
2. Tongues review
1 God spoke to Adam and others
2 God spoke to the prophets
3 Jesus spoke to Paul on Road to Damascus
4 Jesus enabled others to speak and listen at Pentecost
5 Tongues security model
Here is a review of the main points of the Universal Language as it relates to "
speaking in tongues".
3. Holy Spirit
Pentecost is a happy time for Christians as the Holy Spirit promised by Jesus in John chapters 14 to 16 (and other places) has arrived.
4. Speaking out in tongues
Note that the discussion here is on the "
speaking out in tongues" and not the "
sticking out of tongues".
5. Forked tongues
Note that the discussion is on "
cloven tongues" or "
split tongues" and not on "
forked tongues".
In Native American tribes, to "
speak in a forked tongue" was to "
lie". This phrase was adopted during the time of the American Revolution. To tell the truth was to talk with a "
straight tongue".
One needs a security model for deciding between "
forked tongue" or "
straight tongue".
6. A security model for speaking in tongues
After Pentecost, the idea of "
speaking in tongues" arose at various times and places.
The observance of "
speaking in tongues" could be authentic or it might not be authentic.
In a security analysis, one models how someone might try to imitate, or spoof, a given behavior. That is, one details attacks that can be made on the system or model.
How might someone or a group imitate or spoof the above behavior? Some reasons for doing so might include power, money, status, etc.
In this security model of a possible attack, the "
Others" are now the faithful who have been relegated to an outside status as they do not understand what is being said.
Do the speaker and listener understand? Some communication and security ideas are needed.
7. Communication security and authentication
The classic communication scenario has
A sending a message to
B. Usually,
A is chosen as
Alice who is sending a message to
B who is chosen as
Bob.
The primary security issues that can arise include the following.
eavesdropping
man in the middle attack
spoofing
8. Discerning messages
These security concepts are relevant to the Universal Language. One cannot fool God, but an adversary (such as Satan or his helpers or other humans) can fool a person who are not careful.
How might one know or determine if a message is from God or from Satan?
This is often done by the "
power of suggestion".
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Details are left as a future topic.
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9. Hearing voices
Is the message from God, Satan, etc.?
Augustine was the first to talk about hearing voices that compete with each other.
good voice on one side
bad voice on the other side
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Details are left as a future topic.
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10. Hercules
This is somewhat like the choices Hercules faced between "
bad" and "
good" (virtue).
At the crossroads Hercules has a choice.
Take the easy and pleasure route of "bad".
Take the hard and virtuous route of "good".
11. Decision procedure
A "
decision procedure" in computer science is a method or algorithm that, given some input, makes a decision that can be though of as "
yes" or "
no". Note: A "
decision tree" rotates the tree and has more nodes to make decisions, things to happen, etc.
12. Decision procedure
Assume the above security model of a possible attack. What is an effective decision procedure to discern authentic behavior from spoofed behavior?
Decision: Is the message (tongues) authentic? Is it from God?
13. Paul and decision procedures
Paul attempts to provide a decision procedure, in terms of policies, for determining legitimate or illegitimate "
speaking in tongues".
This might have been a particular problem in Corinth, as all the verses are from 1 Corinthians.
In general, Paul often provides advice as "
vitamins" that if taken when not needed, or taken to excess, may cause extra work but may also cause harm.
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Details are left as a future topic.
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In reading the following verses, answer the following question. How well do the policies of Paul address, identify, prevent and/or mitigate a attack by way of a spoofed behavior of "
speaking in tongues"?
The context is that of "
gifts" of each "
member" of the church.
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Details are left as a future topic.
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14. Gifts
1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: [kjv]
There are two gifts of interest here.
What is a "type of tongue"? (for speakers)
What is an "interpretation of a tongue"? (for listeners)
15. 1 Corinthians 12:10
KJV: To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
Greek: αλλω δε ενεργηματα δυναμεων αλλω δε προφητεια αλλω δε διακρισεις πνευματων ετερω δε γενη γλωσσων αλλω δε ερμηνεια γλωσσων
16. Strongs - kinds
- *G1085 *20 γένος (ghen'-os) : from G1096; "kin" (abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective):--born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock.
- γενος *7
- Mark 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by ...
- Acts 7:13 ... brethren; and Joseph's kindred was made known unto Pharaoh.
- Acts 7:19 The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our ...
- Acts 17:28 ... For we are also his offspring.
- Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not ...
- 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy ...
- Revelation 22:16 ... am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and ...
- γενους *5
- Matthew 13:47 ... gathered of every kind:
- Acts 4:6 ... as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.
- Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever ...
- 2 Corinthians 11:26 ... of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, ...
- Philippians 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, ...
- γενει *5
- Mark 7:26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him ...
- Acts 4:36 ... The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
- Acts 18:2 ... Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come ...
- Acts 18:24 ... Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, ...
- Galatians 1:14 ... my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous ...
- γενη *3
- 1 Corinthians 12:10 ... of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another ...
- 1 Corinthians 12:28 ... of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
- 1 Corinthians 14:10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, ...
17. Strongs - tongue
- *G1100 *50 γλῶσσα (gloce-sah') : of uncertain affinity; the tongue; by implication, a language (specially, one naturally unacquired):--tongue.
- γλωσσαις *14
- Mark 16:17 ... devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
- Acts 2:4 ... began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave ...
- Acts 2:11 ... them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
- Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. ...
- Acts 19:6 ... them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
- Romans 3:13 ... is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison ...
- 1 Corinthians 12:30 ... do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
- 1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:5 ... all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:6 ... unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:23 ... and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:39 ... forbid not to speak with tongues.
- Revelation 10:11 ... and nations, and tongues, and kings.
- γλωσση *8
- 1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
- 1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
- 1 Corinthians 14:19 ... words in an unknown tongue.
- 1 Corinthians 14:27 ... speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, ...
- 1 John 3:18 ... love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
- γλωσσα *7
- Luke 1:64 ... immediately, and his tongue loosed, and he spake, and praised God.
- Acts 2:26 ... rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also ...
- Romans 14:11 ... to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
- Philippians 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus ...
- James 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, ...
- James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our ...
- γλωσσαν *7
- Luke 16:24 ... and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:26 ... hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath ...
- James 1:26 ... and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own ...
- James 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; ...
- 1 Peter 3:10 ... days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and ...
- Revelation 13:7 ... all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
- Revelation 14:6 ... and kindred, and tongue, and people,
- γλωσσων *5
- 1 Corinthians 12:10 ... another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
- 1 Corinthians 12:28 ... helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
- Revelation 7:9 ... and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, ...
- Revelation 11:9 ... and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see ...
- γλωσσης *4
- Mark 7:33 ... he spit, and touched his tongue;
- Mark 7:35 ... and the string of his tongue was loosed, and ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:9 ... except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be ...
- Revelation 5:9 ... of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
- γλωσσαι *4
- Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and ...
- 1 Corinthians 13:8 ... there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
- 1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not ...
- Revelation 17:15 ... and nations, and tongues.
- γλωσσας
- Revelation 16:10 ... and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
18. Strongs - interpretation
- *G2058 *2 ἑρμηνεία (her-may-ni'-ah) : from the same as G2059 ἑρμηνεύω; translation:--interpretation.
- ερμηνεια
- 1 Corinthians 12:10 ... of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
- ερμηνειαν
- 1 Corinthians 14:26 ... hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done ...
- *G2059 *4 ἑρμηνεύω (her-mayn-yoo'-o) : from a presumed derivative of G2060 (as the god of language); to translate:--interpret.
- ερμηνευεται *2
- John 1:43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, ...
- John 9:7 ... the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, ...
- ερμηνευομενον
- John 1:39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came ...
- ερμηνευομενος
- Hebrews 7:2 ... of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and ...
19. Gifts
Does everyone have every gift? Is one gift more important than another gift?
1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? [kjv]
Some pastors do not want to acknowledge certain gifts of their flock. What gift might not be desired?
20. 1 Corinthians 12:30
KJV: Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Greek: μη παντες χαρισματα εχουσιν ιαματων μη παντες γλωσσαις λαλουσιν μη παντες διερμηνευουσιν
21. Strongs - speak
- *G2980 *286 λαλέω (lal-eh'-o) : a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, i.e. utter words:--preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter. Compare G3004.
- ελαλησεν *31
- Matthew 9:33 ... the devil was cast out, the dumb spake: and the multitudes marvelled, ...
- Matthew 13:3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, ...
- Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven ...
- Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
- Matthew 14:27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; ...
- Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to ...
- Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All ...
- Mark 6:50 ... were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and ...
- Luke 1:55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, ...
- Luke 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his ...
- Luke 2:50 ... not the saying which he spake unto them.
- Luke 11:14 ... the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered.
- Luke 24:6 ... is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet ...
- John 7:46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.
- John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, ...
- John 12:36 ... the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, ...
- John 12:41 ... his glory, and spake of him.
- John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his ...
- Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that ...
- Acts 3:21 ... of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all ...
- Acts 7:6 And God spake on this wise, That his ...
- Acts 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, ...
- Acts 9:27 ... the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how ...
- Acts 23:9 ... a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.
- Acts 28:21 ... that came shewed or spake any harm of thee.
- Acts 28:25 ... one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by ...
- Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
- Hebrews 7:14 ... which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
- Revelation 17:1 ... the seven vials, and talked with me, saying ...
- Revelation 21:9 ... last plagues, and talked with me, saying, ...
- λαλησαι *22
- Matthew 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother ...
- Matthew 12:47 ... stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
- Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into ...
- Luke 1:19 ... of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and ...
- Luke 1:20 ... and not able to speak, until the day that ...
- Luke 1:22 And when he came out, he could not speak unto them: and they perceived ...
- Luke 11:37 And as he spake, a certain Pharisee besought ...
- Acts 14:1 ... of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude ...
- Acts 16:6 ... of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
- Acts 21:39 ... thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.
- Acts 23:18 ... thee, who hath something to say unto thee.
- 1 Corinthians 3:1 ... brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with ...
- 2 Corinthians 12:4 ... not lawful for a man to utter.
- Ephesians 6:20 ... as I ought to speak.
- Colossians 4:3 ... unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for ...
- Colossians 4:4 ... as I ought to speak.
- 1 Thessalonians 2:2 ... in our God to speak unto you the gospel ...
- 1 Thessalonians 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, ...
- James 1:19 ... hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
- 1 Peter 3:10 ... and his lips that they speak no guile:
- 2 John 1:12 ... unto you, and speak face to face, ...
- λαλει *21
- Matthew 12:34 ... being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
- Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who ...
- Mark 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever ...
- Luke 5:21 ... is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can ...
- Luke 6:45 ... of the heart his mouth speaketh.
- John 3:31 ... is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh ...
- John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for ...
- John 7:26 But, lo, he speaketh boldly, and they say ...
- John 7:46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.
- John 16:18 ... cannot tell what he saith.
- Acts 18:9 ... not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:
- Romans 3:19 ... what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, ...
- Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
- Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke ...
- Hebrews 11:4 ... it he being dead yet speaketh.
- 1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; ...
- Jude 1:16 ... and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons ...
- λαλειν *20
- Matthew 12:22 ... and dumb both spake and saw.
- Matthew 12:34 ... being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
- Mark 1:34 ... suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.
- Mark 7:37 ... to hear, and the dumb to speak.
- Mark 12:1 And he began to speak unto them by parables. ...
- Luke 4:41 ... them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he ...
- Luke 7:15 ... sat up, and began to speak. And he delivered him ...
- Acts 2:4 ... Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as ...
- Acts 4:17 ... straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man ...
- Acts 4:20 ... can not but speak the things which we have seen and heard.
- Acts 4:29 ... that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
- Acts 5:40 ... beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name ...
- Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell ...
- Romans 15:18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:34 ... not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:35 ... it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
- 1 Corinthians 14:39 ... and forbid not to speak with tongues.
- Philippians 1:14 ... are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
- 1 Thessalonians 1:8 ... we need not to speak any thing.
- ελαλει *20
- Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
- Mark 2:2 ... about the door: and he preached the word unto them.
- Mark 4:33 ... many such parables spake he the word unto them, as ...
- Mark 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and ...
- Mark 7:35 ... tongue was loosed, and he spake plain.
- Mark 8:32 And he spake that saying openly. And Peter ...
- Mark 14:31 But he spake the more vehemently, If I ...
- Luke 1:64 ... his tongue loosed, and he spake, and praised God.
- Luke 2:38 ... gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all ...
- Luke 9:11 ... and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom ...
- Luke 24:32 ... within us, while he talked with us by the way, ...
- John 4:27 ... marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?
- John 7:13 Howbeit no man spake openly of him ...
- John 10:6 ... what things they were which he spake unto them.
- Acts 6:10 ... and the spirit by which he spake.
- Acts 9:29 ... the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: ...
- Acts 18:25 ... and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently ...
- Hebrews 4:8 ... rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
- Revelation 1:12 ... to see the voice that spake with me. And ...
- Revelation 13:11 ... like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
- λαλουντος *16
- Matthew 9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, ...
- Matthew 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother ...
- Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright ...
- Matthew 26:47 And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, ...
- Mark 5:35 While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's ...
- Mark 14:43 And immediately, while he yet spake, cometh Judas, one ...
- Luke 8:49 While he yet spake, there cometh one from ...
- Luke 22:47 And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and ...
- Luke 22:60 ... immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.
- John 1:37 ... disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
- Acts 6:11 ... which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against ...
- Acts 7:38 ... with the angel which spake to him in the mount ...
- Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy ...
- Acts 14:9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, ...
- Acts 22:9 ... not the voice of him that spake to me.
- 2 Corinthians 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which ...
- λαλων *16
- Luke 5:4 Now when he had left speaking, he said unto Simon, ...
- John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
- John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: ...
- John 9:37 ... and it is he that talketh with thee.
- Acts 6:13 ... man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against ...
- Acts 7:44 ... the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it ...
- Acts 10:7 And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called ...
- 1 Corinthians 12:3 ... to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:6 ... unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:11 ... I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
- 1 Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray ...
- 2 Peter 3:16 ... in all his epistles, speaking in them of ...
- Revelation 21:15 And he that talked with me had ...
- λαλω *15
- Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because ...
- John 7:17 ... God, or whether I speak of myself.
- John 12:50 ... whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
- John 14:10 ... that I speak unto you I speak not of ...
- John 17:13 ... thee; and these things I speak in the world, that ...
- Acts 26:26 ... before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded ...
- Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that ...
- 1 Corinthians 9:8 Say I these things as a man? or saith ...
- 1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
- 1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for ...
- 2 Corinthians 11:17 That which I speak, I speak it not after ...
- 2 Corinthians 11:23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; ...
- ελαλησαν *11
- Luke 24:25 ... all that the prophets have spoken:
- Acts 3:24 ... and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold ...
- Acts 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and ...
- Acts 26:22 ... the prophets and Moses did say should come:
- Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: ...
- James 5:10 ... brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example ...
- 2 Peter 1:21 ... men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
- Jude 1:15 ... speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
- Revelation 10:3 ... he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
- Revelation 10:4 ... the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write ...
- λαλουμεν *10
- John 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and ...
- 1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: ...
- 1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, ...
- 1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words ...
- 2 Corinthians 2:17 ... God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
- 2 Corinthians 4:13 ... I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
- 2 Corinthians 12:19 ... that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in ...
- 1 Thessalonians 2:4 ... to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing ...
- Hebrews 2:5 ... the world to come, whereof we speak.
- Hebrews 6:9 ... salvation, though we thus speak.
- λελαληκα *10
- John 6:63 ... the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, ...
- John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
- John 15:3 ... through the word which I have spoken unto you.
- John 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy ...
- John 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
- John 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when ...
- John 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow ...
- John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more ...
- John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ...
- John 18:20 ... him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
- ελαλησα *8
- Luke 24:44 ... These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was ...
- John 12:48 ... him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him ...
- John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; ...
- John 15:22 ... not come and spoken unto them, they had not ...
- John 18:20 ... him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
- John 18:21 ... them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they ...
- John 18:23 Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of ...
- 2 Corinthians 4:13 ... I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
- λαλουντες *7
- Matthew 10:20 ... not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
- Mark 13:11 ... thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is ...
- Acts 2:7 ... not all these which speak Galilæans?
- Acts 11:19 ... Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but ...
- Acts 20:30 ... shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:9 ... shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
- Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and ...
- ελαλουν *6
- Luke 2:15 And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from ...
- Acts 4:31 ... Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
- Acts 11:20 ... when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching ...
- Acts 19:6 ... on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
- Acts 26:31 And when they were gone aside, they talked between themselves, saying, ...
- 1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood ...
- λαλουντων *5
- Luke 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood ...
- Acts 2:6 ... every man heard them speak in his own language.
- Acts 2:11 ... Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
- Acts 4:1 And as they spake unto the people, ...
- Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify ...
- λαλησω *5
- John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; ...
- John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with ...
- John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:6 ... unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:21 ... and other lips will I speak unto this people; and ...
- λαλεις *4
- Matthew 13:10 ... and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
- John 4:27 ... marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?
- John 16:29 ... him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest ...
- John 19:10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou ...
- λαληθησεται *4
- Matthew 26:13 ... whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.
- Mark 14:9 ... that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.
- Acts 9:6 ... into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou ...
- Acts 22:10 ... into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things ...
- λαλειτε *4
- Mark 13:11 ... thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is ...
- Acts 5:20 Go, stand and speak in the temple to the people ...
- Ephesians 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with ...
- James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as ...
- λαλησει *4
- John 9:21 ... ask him: he shall speak for himself.
- John 16:13 ... truth: for he shall not speak of himself; ...
- Acts 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou ...
- λαλησητε *3
- Matthew 10:19 ... or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
- Mark 13:11 ... thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is ...
- λαλουμενοις *3
- Luke 2:33 ... mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
- Acts 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled ...
- Acts 16:14 ... opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.
- λαλουν *2
- Matthew 10:20 ... not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
- Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; ...
- λαλησουσιν *2
- Matthew 12:36 ... word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof ...
- Mark 16:17 ... name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
- λαλουμενον *2
- Mark 5:36 As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be ...
- 1 Corinthians 14:9 ... shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
- ελαληθη *2
- Luke 2:20 ... and seen, as it was told unto them.
- Hebrews 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac ...
- λελαληκεν *2
- John 9:29 We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this ...
- John 12:29 ... others said, An angel spake to him.
- λαληση *2
- Acts 3:22 ... in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
- Revelation 13:15 ... the image of the beast should both speak, and cause ...
- λαλησαντες *2
- Acts 8:25 And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned ...
- Acts 14:25 And when they had preached the word in Perga, they went down ...
- λαληθηναι *2
- Acts 13:42 ... besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
- Acts 13:46 ... that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but ...
- λαλουσιν *2
- 1 Corinthians 12:30 ... of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
- 1 John 4:5 ... of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and ...
- λαλουντι *2
- 1 Corinthians 14:11 ... I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
- Hebrews 12:24 ... and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
- λαλησας *2
- Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
- Hebrews 5:5 ... to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou ...
- λαλουντας
- Matthew 15:31 ... wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame ...
- λελαλημενοις
- Luke 1:45 ... for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
- λαληθεντος
- Luke 2:17 ... it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child.
- λαληθεντων
- Luke 2:18 ... it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.
- ελαλησατε
- Luke 12:3 ... the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in ...
- ελαλουμεν
- Acts 16:13 ... to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
- λαλουμενη
- Acts 17:19 ... doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?
- λαλησαντος
- Acts 23:7 And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees ...
- λελαληται
- Acts 27:25 ... shall be even as it was told me.
- λαλωσιν
- 1 Corinthians 14:23 ... one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in ...
- λαλειτω
- 1 Corinthians 14:28 ... in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
- λαλειτωσαν
- 1 Corinthians 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, ...
- ελαλησαμεν
- 2 Corinthians 7:14 ... ashamed; but as we spake all things to you in ...
- λαλουσαι
- 1 Timothy 5:13 ... also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
- λαληθεις
- Hebrews 2:2 For if the word spoken by angels was ...
- λαλεισθαι
- Hebrews 2:3 ... at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed ...
- λαληθησομενων
- Hebrews 3:5 ... a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
- λαληθεισης
- Hebrews 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept ...
- λαλουντα
- Hebrews 12:25 ... ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they ...
- λαλησομεν
- 3 John 1:14 ... see thee, and we shall speak face to face. ...
- λαλουσης
- Revelation 4:1 ... I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, ...
- λαλουσαν
- Revelation 10:8 ... I heard from heaven spake unto me again, ...
22. Strongs - interpret
- *G1329 *6 διερμηνεύω (dee-er-main-yoo'-o) : from G1223 and G2059; to explain thoroughly, by implication, to translate:--expound, interpret(-ation).
- διερμηνευη *2
- 1 Corinthians 14:5 ... speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
- 1 Corinthians 14:13 ... unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
- διερμηνευσεν
- Luke 24:27 ... and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all ...
- διερμηνευομενη
- Acts 9:36 ... named Tabitha, which by interpretation is called Dorcas: this ...
- διερμηνευουσιν
- 1 Corinthians 12:30 ... with tongues? do all interpret?
- διερμηνευετω
- 1 Corinthians 14:27 ... that by course; and let one interpret.
23. Chapter and verse divisions
Chapter divisions were added (and chapters numbered) in the Middle Ages in the 13th century. Later, in 1551, in the Middle Ages, verse divisions were added (and verses numbered).
It is best to always check surrounding verses and, when appropriate, verses in the previous or next chapter, to see if those verses have important meaning for the context.
24. Love chapter
The popular "
love chapter" is a continuation of chapter 12 addressing gifts, members and, especially, "
speaking in tongues" and "
interpreters".
1 Corinthians 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. [kjv]
13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [kjv]
The only gift that appears to relate to "
sounding brass" and "
tinkling cymbal" is the unintelligible gift of "
tongues".
25. 1 Corinthians 12:31
KJV: But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Greek: ζηλουτε δε τα χαρισματα τα κρειττονα μειζονα και ετι καθ υπερβολην οδον υμιν δεικνυμι
26. 1 Corinthians 13:1
KJV: Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
Greek: εαν ταις γλωσσαις των ανθρωπων λαλω και των αγγελων αγαπην δε μη εχω γεγονα χαλκος ηχων η κυμβαλον αλαλαζον
27. Disappearing tongues
Paul says that "
tongues" shall cease.
1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. [kjv]
Based on Pentecost, and the Universal Language Model, when the Tower of Babel confusion is fully and permanently reversed, "
tongues" as we know them shall "
cease".
28. 1 Corinthians 13:8
KJV: Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Greek: η αγαπη ουδεποτε εκπιπτει πιπτει ειτε δε προφητειαι καταργηθησονται ειτε γλωσσαι παυσονται ειτε γνωσις καταργηθησεται
Latin: caritas numquam excidit sive prophetiae evacuabuntur sive linguae cessabunt sive scientia destruetur
29. Children
Even small children can be understood as to what they are saying.
1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. [kjv]
This is not true for the "
speaking in tongues" addressed by Paul.
Should such "
speaking in tongues" be "
put away" as a "
childish thing"?
30. 1 Corinthians 13:11
KJV: When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Greek: οτε ημην νηπιος ως νηπιος ελαλουν ως νηπιος εφρονουν ως νηπιος ελογιζομην ως νηπιος οτε δε γεγονα ανηρ κατηργηκα τα του νηπιου
31. Love chapter
This popular "
love chapter" is continued in chapter 14, some of which is covered here. Again, the chapter division here is arbitrary. Paul returns to "
tongues".
1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. [kjv]
32. 1 Corinthians 14:2
KJV: For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Greek: ο γαρ λαλων γλωσση ουκ ανθρωποις λαλει αλλα τω θεω ουδεις γαρ ακουει πνευματι δε λαλει μυστηρια
33. Meaning
It appears that the "
speaking in tongues" was not providing any useful side-effect.
1 Corinthians 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. [kjv]
Prophesying would be better, Paul says.
34. 1 Corinthians 14:5
KJV: I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Greek: θελω δε παντας υμας λαλειν γλωσσαις μαλλον δε ινα προφητευητε μειζων γαρ δε ο προφητευων η ο λαλων γλωσσαις εκτος ει μη διερμηνευη ινα η εκκλησια οικοδομην λαβη
Latin: volo autem omnes vos loqui linguis magis autem prophetare nam maior est qui prophetat quam qui loquitur linguis nisi si forte ut interpretetur ut ecclesia aedificationem accipiat
35. Strongs - edify
- *G3619 *0 οἰκοδομή (oy-kod-om-ay') : feminine (abstract) of a compound of G3624 and the base of G1430; architecture, i.e. (concretely) a structure; figuratively, confirmation:--building, edify(-ication, -ing).
- οικοδομην *11
- Romans 15:2 ... for his good to edification.
- 1 Corinthians 14:3 ... prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
- 1 Corinthians 14:5 ... that the church may receive edifying.
- 1 Corinthians 14:12 ... that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
- 1 Corinthians 14:26 ... all things be done unto edifying.
- 2 Corinthians 5:1 ... this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, ...
- 2 Corinthians 10:8 ... hath given us for edification, and not for ...
- 2 Corinthians 13:10 ... hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.
- Ephesians 4:12 ... the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
- Ephesians 4:16 ... increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
- Ephesians 4:29 ... good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
- οικοδομας *2
- Matthew 24:1 ... came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
- Mark 13:2 ... Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left ...
- οικοδομης *2
- Romans 14:19 ... which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
- 2 Corinthians 12:19 ... dearly beloved, for your edifying.
- οικοδομη *2
- 1 Corinthians 3:9 ... God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
- Ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto ...
- οικοδομαι
- Mark 13:1 ... stones and what buildings are here!
The Greek word for "
edify" has to do with "
building" such as build up the believers.
The English word "edifice" is related to "edify".
In part, a prophet usually speaks in clear language so that he is understood and needs to provide short range prophecies to verify his true words and then long range prophecies.
Why did the IRS audit the church?
It was a church for a profit and they had false profits.
36. Prophecy and profits
Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. [kjv]
παντες γαρ οι προφηται και ο νομος εως ιωαννου επροφητευσαν [gnt]
The ancient Greek word
"προφήτης" ≈ "speaker for a god". Paul continues with "
prophecy" and "
tongues". In English, the word for "
prophet" and
"profit" have the same sound. These words are sometimes used to make puns. The Greek words, however, are
different.
1 Corinthians 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? [kjv]
νυν δε αδελφοι εαν ελθω προς υμας γλωσσαις λαλων τι υμας ωφελησω εαν μη υμιν λαλησω η εν αποκαλυψει η εν γνωσει η εν προφητεια η εν διδαχη [gnt]
Why did the IRS audit the church?
It was a church for a profit and they had false profits.
37. 1 Corinthians 13:9-10 Prophecy
1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. [kjv]
εκ μερους γαρ γινωσκομεν και εκ μερους προφητευομεν [gnt]
13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. [kjv]
οταν δε ελθη το τελειον το εκ μερους καταργηθησεται [gnt]
"προφητεία" ≈ "prophecy".
"προφήτης" ≈ "speaker for a god" and comes from two Greek words.
"προ" ≈ "before" and source of English words starting with "pro".
"φημί" ≈ "say" and source of the English word "fame".
38. 1 Corinthians 13:9
KJV: For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
Greek: εκ μερους γαρ γινωσκομεν και εκ μερους προφητευομεν
39. 1 Corinthians 13:10
KJV: But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
Greek: οταν δε ελθη το τελειον τοτε το εκ μερους καταργηθησεται
40. Matthew 11:13
KJV: For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Greek: παντες γαρ οι προφηται και ο νομος εως ιωαννου προεφητευσαν επροφητευσαν
41. 1 Corinthians 14:6
KJV: Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
Greek: νυνι νυν δε αδελφοι εαν ελθω προς υμας γλωσσαις λαλων τι υμας ωφελησω εαν μη υμιν λαλησω η εν αποκαλυψει η εν γνωσει η εν προφητεια η εν διδαχη
42. Profits
Many people think of a "
prophet" as someone who "
foretells" the future.
A more common feature of a "
prophet" is in "
forth-telling" as in telling the truth or pointing out the truth.This can be hard to verify if the what is said is not clear as to meaning - as in "
speaking in tongues".
Leaders tend to have their "
false prophets" who say what the king wants to hear rather than "
true prophets".
43. Luke 6:22-23
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. [kjv]
6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets. [kjv]
In the version of the Beatitudes found in Luke, true and false teachers are mentioned. It appears that the time will come, if it has not already, that "
standing up" for Jesus will get you into big trouble.
For a song written about standing up for Jesus, see the following.
Song: Stand up stand up for Jesus.
44. Luke 6:24-26
Luke 6:24 But woe unto you that are rich ! for ye have received your consolation. [kjv]
6:25 Woe unto you that are full ! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now ! for ye shall mourn and weep. [kjv]
6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. [kjv]
Skipping the verses that parallel previous verses on riches and hunger, we get to the parallel verses of the above.
Do these verses say (or imply) that if the world praises you, then you are a "
false prophet", telling the world what the world wants to hear?
Discussion question: Is a phrase that Christians need to "
outlove the world" a phrase that would be said by a "
true prophet" or a "
false prophet"? Explain. You might consider the following in your explanation.
Does the world set a high bar or a low bar with respect to "love"?
45. Unknown tongue
Paul would rather the person be the one to interpret.
1 Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. [kjv]
The "
unknown" appears to be inferred from previous verses as it is not present in the Greek.
46. Interpretation
In the original "
speaking in tongues" in Acts 2, there is no need for an "
interpreter". Does this raise a "
red flag"?
The "
others" as outsiders are now the faithful believers. This should raise a "
red flag".
47. 1 Corinthians 14:13
KJV: Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
Greek: διοπερ διο ο λαλων γλωσση προσευχεσθω ινα διερμηνευη
Latin: et ideo qui loquitur lingua oret ut interpretetur
Wycliffe: And therfor he that spekith in langage, preie, that he expowne.
Tyndale: Wherfore let him that speaketh with tonges praye that he maye interpret also.
Luther: Darum, welcher mit Zungen redet, der bete also, daß er's auch auslege.
48. 1 Corinthians 14:26
KJV: How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
Greek: τι ουν εστιν αδελφοι οταν συνερχησθε εκαστος υμων ψαλμον εχει διδαχην εχει γλωσσαν εχει αποκαλυψιν εχει γλωσσαν εχει ερμηνειαν εχει παντα προς οικοδομην γενεσθω γινεσθω
49. Unknown tongue
1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. [kjv]
The "
unknown" appears to be inferred from previous verses as it is not present in the Greek.
50. 1 Corinthians 14:27
KJV: If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
Greek: ειτε γλωσση τις λαλει κατα δυο η το πλειστον τρεις και ανα μερος και εις διερμηνευετω
Latin: sive lingua quis loquitur secundum duos aut ut multum tres et per partes et unus interpretetur
51. Interpreter
Paul does not want someone speaking in tongues if there is no one there to interpret.
1 Corinthians 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. [kjv]
According to the Acts 2 model, if this is from God, an interpreter should not be needed.
52. 1 Corinthians 14:28
KJV: But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Greek: εαν δε μη η διερμηνευτης σιγατω εν εκκλησια εαυτω δε λαλειτω και τω θεω
53. Silence
1 Speech is silver
2 Silence is golden
3 Duct tape is silver
This is one of those times when "
silence is golden".
Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. [kjv]
ανοητω επερωτησαντι σοφιαν σοφια λογισθησεται ενεον δε τις εαυτον ποιησας δοξει φρονιμος ειναι [lxx]
54. Proverbs 17:28
KJV: Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
Hebrew: גם אויל מחריש חכם יחשב אטם שפתיו נבון׃
Greek: ανοητω επερωτησαντι σοφιαν σοφια λογισθησεται ενεον δε τις εαυτον ποιησας δοξει φρονιμος ειναι
Latin: stultus quoque si tacuerit sapiens putabitur et si conpresserit labia sua intellegens
Wycliffe: Also a foole, if he is stille, schal be gessid a wijs man; and, if he pressith togidre hise lippis, he`schal be gessid an vndurstondynge man.
Luther: Ein Narr, wenn er schwiege, würde auch weise gerechnet und verständig, wenn er das Maul hielte.
Spanish: Aun el necio, cuando calla, es contado por sabio; el que cierra sus labios es entendido.
Portuguese: Um insensato silencioso passa por sábio; se fecha a boca parece inteligente.
55. Silence
What can be said at all can be said clearly; and whereof one cannot speak thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein (Austrian-British philosopher)
56. Security analysis
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How might an attacker spoof or get around the decision procedure (or security policy) suggested by Paul?
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How might the policies be changed to better prevent, detect and/or recover from attacks?
57. Cross examination
One approach or decision procedure that one might use is a legal approach of cross examination whereby speakers and interpreters are separated such that all interpretations can be compared and such that prior planning is precluded.
58. Daniel: Susanna in Babylon
One of the first documented cases of cross examinations of separated witnesses in a legal setting is that of Daniel at the trial of Susanna - which is part of the Apocrypha as Daniel chapter 13. It is part of the
LXX (Septuagint) and called the ancient Greek word
"Σωσαννα" ≈ "Susanna" .
The book of "
Susanna" is sometimes called "
Susanna and the Elders".
In the story, Daniel is called in and says that he is "
innocent of this blood". Matthew uses this similar saying to describe what Pilate says of the blood of Jesus.
Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. [kjv]
ιδων δε ο πιλατος οτι ουδεν ωφελει αλλα μαλλον θορυβος γινεται λαβων υδωρ απενιψατο τας χειρας κατεναντι του οχλου λεγων αθωος ειμι απο του αιματος τουτου υμεις οψεσθε [gnt]
59. Daniel: Susanna in Babylon
One of the first documented cases of cross examinations of separated witnesses in a legal setting is that of Daniel at the trial of Susanna - which is part of the Apocrypha as Daniel chapter 13. It is part of the
LXX and called the ancient Greek word
"Σωσαννα" ≈ "Susanna" .
The book of "
Susanna" is sometimes called "
Susanna and the Elders".
In the story, Daniel is called in and says that he is "
innocent of this blood". Matthew uses this similar saying to describe what Pilate says of the blood of Jesus.
Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. [kjv]
ιδων δε ο πιλατος οτι ουδεν ωφελει αλλα μαλλον θορυβος γινεται λαβων υδωρ απενιψατο τας χειρας κατεναντι του οχλου λεγων αθωος ειμι απο του αιματος τουτου υμεις οψεσθε [gnt]
60. Galileo
There is a story (detailed by Gleick in his book
The information) of Galileo and communication (related to the compass) whereby someone tried to interest him a set of magnetic sympathetic needles. Separate them by a long distance, and moving one caused the other one to move the same way. Somewhat like the modern entanglement of small particles in quantum physics.
Galileo asked for a cross-examination type demonstration by doing it from the next room. The person told Galileo it only worked at long distance. Galileo was not interested. Somewhat like the double-slit experiment in quantum physics.Measuring it closely caused it not to work.
61. Uncertainty principle
In quantum physics, Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, when generalized, says that in trying to measure both position and momentum, the measurement itself interferes in the measurement process.
The argument that can be by those speaking in tongues is that "
if you try to cross examine" or use some other way to detect the nature of the tongues, it will interfere in the process. Will it cause the process not to work?
62. Observation
It is interesting that humans often replicate or spoof a perceived reality rather than an actual reality.
63. Forgeries
This how many forgeries are detected. The forger uses information that everyone thought was correct but, at some point, someone discovers new information such that what the forger wrote is seen to be clearly false for that time period.
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64. Relics
There have been many instances where ancient relics are found that are very rare.
Museums, organizations, rich people etc., will pay a lot for the limited number of relics found.
There are native people to that area, or others, who will then create what appears to be authentic relics to sell for the money.
65. Artistic reality
James Burke (British historical scientist) says (paraphrased) that people do not want reality as raw data - it scares them and they cannot understand it. They prefer an artistic impression of reality that is easier to accept, even if it is not correct.
66. Tongues
Once people find out about speaking in tongues, if the perception is that it is in an actual human language, the spoof may be in an actual and different human language. It is not clear, however, that the original tongues at Pentecost were in human language. It could have been in the Universal Language which could be indistinguishable from a native language.
67. Pentecostal revival
This idea of tongues is addressed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12, 13 and 14. The idea exploded from the Azusa Street Revival in Los Angeles in 1906 until 1915 and developed into the modern Pentecostal movement.
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68. History
It is interesting that, throughout history, at some point, a group of people start to believe and/or imitate some behavior or characteristic.
That behavior or characteristic is considered to make one "
superior" to those who do not have it.
This results in a gathering of members in that organization.
And yet, that special "
thing" remained hidden for hundreds or thousands of years, and may be something that Jesus did not actually do in the flesh (or spirit). All those people before missed out on that "
special" opportunity.
Does any of that appear to follow from the teachings of Jesus?
It might be part of human nature to create houses of sand - human organization - and then compete for special positions in that hierarchy while "
enslaving" those in the hierarchy below. This is often done by a "
salvation by works" viewpoint.
Using the example of Paul, be careful not to criticize any faith or faithful directly as there may be many who are doing what Jesus wants them to do. Instead, indirectly point out parts of the man-made human hierarchy sand edifice as having issues with what Jesus and the Bible say.
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