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Matthew 18:18-20 Middle agreement to have anything done
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1. Matthew 18:18-20 Middle agreement to have anything done

2. Matthew 18:18 Bind and loose
Verse routeMatthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. [kjv]

What is a traditional interpretation of this verse? What is the meaning of the following words in this verse? The same thoughts are in Matthew 16:19, two chapters earlier, after the verse on Peter and the church of Jesus to be built on the rock. Does your meaning of this verse fit that occurrence?

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3. Matthew 18:18
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KJV: Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Greek: αμην λεγω υμιν οσα εαν δησητε επι της γης εσται δεδεμενα εν τω ουρανω και οσα εαν λυσητε επι της γης εσται λελυμενα εν τω ουρανω

4. Matthew 18:19
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KJV: Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Greek: παλιν αμην λεγω υμιν οτι εαν δυο υμων συμφωνησωσιν εξ υμων επι της γης περι παντος πραγματος ου εαν αιτησωνται γενησεται αυτοις παρα του πατρος μου του εν ουρανοις

5. Matthew 18:20
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KJV: For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Greek: ου γαρ εισιν δυο η τρεις συνηγμενοι εις το εμον ονομα εκει ειμι εν μεσω αυτων

6. Matthew 18:18-20 Middle agreement to have anything done
Verse routeMatthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. [kjv]
Verse route18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. [kjv]

Who are the "two" or "three" ?
When the English does not appear to make sense without a lot of theological hand-waving and hocus pocus, there may be a simpler explanation. Linguistic analysis of the original language and logical reasoning can help.

7. Sermon on the Mount : Matthew 5:1-20
Groups 5:17. Not come to reside in the law
5:18. Jots and tittles of the law
5:19. Birdhouse rules
5:20. Birdhouse righteousness
7:21. Not everyone will enter
7:22 Many works will not count
7:23 I never knew you. Depart !
Adultery 1

[7 RC + 7 KP + 7 B + 7 + 7 = 35 ARMS, plus more]

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9. Matthew 5:29-30 Overview
Verse routeMatthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]

Verse route5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]

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The previous verse was from the man's point of view (e.g., groom, Jesus, God). This verse requires one to switch to the woman's point of view (e.g., bride, Church, Israel).

One reaction of the woman is to block or reject such advances.

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10. Matthew 5:29 Body parts and animals
Verse routeMatthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]
Verse routeει δε ο οφθαλμος σου ο δεξιος σκανδαλιζει σε εξελε αυτον και βαλε απο σου συμφερει γαρ σοι ινα αποληται εν των μελων σου και μη ολον το σωμα σου βληθη εις γεενναν [gnt]

eye/leader hand/muscle foot/walk hair (strand)
Bird Pig Fish Sheep
heaven/air land/earth sea/world land/earth
Jesus is the true head.

Models are more than just opinion.

Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful. George Box, Statistician.

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Here is a summary build of the progression. The verse structure is as follows.

Matthew 5:27-32: adultery/separation Verse groups:

12. Matthew 18:2-5,10,14 Children and little ones
Verse routeMatthew 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, [kjv]
Verse route18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. [kjv]
Verse route18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. [kjv]
Verse route18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. [kjv]
Verse route18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. [kjv]
Verse route18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. [kjv]

These verses having to do with children are often used as ARMS (Attractive Refrigerator Magnet Sermons).

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13. Chapter 18: Cherry picked verses and red flag
1 omit
2 child
3 children
4 child
5 child
6 omit
7 omit
8 omit
9 omit
10 little ones
11 added
12 omit
13 omit
14 little ones
15‑20 omit
Cherry pick 2 Red flag Context

These verses are cherry-picked.
  • Verses 2, 3, 4, 5, 10 and 14 are included.
  • Verses 1, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 15-20 are omitted.
This should raise a red flag and motivate investigation.

What do these verses actually mean in context?

Jesus, Paul, etc., use the word for a "child" to refer to believers (of all ages).


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14. Matthew 18:1 Greatest and least in the kingdom
Verse routeMatthew 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? [kjv]
Verse routeεν εκεινη τη ωρα προσηλθον οι μαθηται τω ιησου λεγοντες τις αρα μειζων εστιν εν τη βασιλεια των ουρανων [gnt]

Who is "greatest"? Who is "least"?
Greater than sign Less than sign
Both orgs 1 Org tree 2
Since chapter 17 is concerned with "greatness" and chapter 18 starts with the question to Jesus of who is "greatest", the question might have been motivated by chapter 17 and then that idea follows through with everything Jesus says in finishing this discourse in chapter 18.
In modern times, the "great" are ofter called the "elite".

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15. Matthew 18:4 Humbled at the same level
Verse routeMatthew 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. [kjv]
Verse routeοστις ουν ταπεινωσει εαυτον ως το παιδιον τουτο ουτος εστιν ο μειζων εν τη βασιλεια των ουρανων [gnt]

Who is "greatest"?
Who is "least"?
With Jesus as the "head" , every "hair" or "believer" is both "greatest" and "least".
Org tree2 Shallow 0
Integer domain Jesus has a flat organizational chart. This is similar to the semantic domain of integers in programming language theory. Top was not needed for the theory to work.

[No child left behind. No child gets ahead.]



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16. Matthew 18:6 Millstones and entrapments
Verse routeMatthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. [kjv]
Verse routeος δ αν σκανδαλιση ενα των μικρων τουτων των πιστευοντων εις εμε συμφερει αυτω ινα κρεμασθη μυλος ονικος περι τον τραχηλον αυτου και καταποντισθη εν τω πελαγει της θαλασσης [gnt]

The "offend", "offense", "offenses", etc., means to "entrap" or "snare" as in false teaching or deceit to lead one astray. When Jesus uses the word, it can mean "misinterpret" as in "entrap" yourself.
 
Why would someone "entrap" a "little one" as a "believer"?
The ancient Greek word "συμφέρω""", literally "carry together" and, as an opposite of "different" is that of two things being similar in some ways.

[Throw someone under the bus, temple tax]

Can you "entrap" or "ensnare" yourself as the "one"? Can you "sin" against yourself? The counter-factual example of a "millstone" makes doing this a very bad "sin". Is it a "sin"? How bad is it? How easy or hard is it for you to "forgive" those who "entrap" "little ones"? How hard is it to "forgive" those who "entrap" "you"?

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17. Matthew 18:7 Compulsion trap
Verse routeMatthew 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! [kjv]
Verse routeουαι τω κοσμω απο των σκανδαλων αναγκη γαρ ελθειν τα σκανδαλα πλην ουαι τω ανθρωπω δι ου το σκανδαλον ερχεται [gnt]

The word "woe" in Greek is that of a "bird" of prey sound. Thus, the compound noun is that of a "compulsion" "trap" or "trap" of "compulsion". Jesus talks of this in the Sermon on the Mount in terms of the dead "gift" "on" top of the "alter" ("trap" of "compulsion") and the living "gift" "in front of" the "alter".

The modern Greek word "πλην" (pleen) ≈ "except for" and is used as a "minus sign" for the subtraction operation as in 5 "except for" 3 is 2.

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18. Matthew 18:7 Compulsion trap
Verse routeMatthew 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! [kjv]
Verse routeουαι τω κοσμω απο των σκανδαλων αναγκη γαρ ελθειν τα σκανδαλα πλην ουαι τω ανθρωπω δι ου το σκανδαλον ερχεται [gnt]

Paraphrase: Woe with respect to the (people in the) world apart from the trap of compulsion because the entrapments come but with the exception of woe with respect to the man through whom the entrapment comes.

This appears to provide an out of sorts to those who have been "entrapped" by the "compulsion" provided they do the other things that they are expected by Jesus to do. This would be the "sheep".

However, this does not appear to provide an out to those who have supported or promoted the "compulsion" "entrapments". This would be the "birds" and "pigs". What Jesus says about "idle words" might explain how ambiguity of intention is disambiguated.

[woe as a bird of prey cry, gift on the alter, last farthing]

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19. Matthew 10:29 Not one sparrow
Verse routeMatthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. [kjv]
Verse routeουχι δυο στρουθια ασσαριου πωλειται και εν εξ αυτων ου πεσειται επι την γην ανευ του πατρος υμων [gnt]

Pairs 8Here then is a paraphrase that fits the specific context of the verse and the general idea of birds being the of the evil one.

The "one cookie rule" can be applied here.
Paraphrase: All the sparrows (of the evil one) who sell themselves (or others) out for earthly gain will fall on that earthly ground because they are without God the Father.

Discuss: Provide instances of people (as sparrows) selling themselves (or others) out for money. This could be influence peddling, pay for play, etc.

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20. Matthew 10:28 Soul and body
Verse routeMatthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. [kjv]
Verse routeκαι μη φοβεισθε απο των αποκτεινοντων το σωμα την δε ψυχην μη δυναμενων αποκτειναι φοβεισθε δε μαλλον τον δυναμενον και ψυχην και σωμα απολεσαι εν γεεννη [gnt]

Jesus tells us who we should "fear" and it is not "fear" about the cares and concerns of this world. The most dangerous attacks are not from the outside but from the inside and involve deception.

One cannot "destroy the soul" by "killing" the body is in persecution (e.g., by the Roman administrations). The primary way to "destroy" the "soul" is through deception so that you "sell yourself out" or are "sold out".

Jesus provides an example in the next verse.

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21. Matthew 10:29-31 Soul and body
Verse routeMatthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. [kjv]
Verse routeουχι δυο στρουθια ασσαριου πωλειται και εν εξ αυτων ου πεσειται επι την γην ανευ του πατρος υμων [gnt]
Verse route10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. [kjv]
Verse routeυμων δε και αι τριχες της κεφαλης πασαι ηριθμημεναι εισιν [gnt]
Verse route10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. [kjv]
Verse routeμη ουν φοβεισθε πολλων στρουθιων διαφερετε υμεις [gnt]

Discuss:

22. Matthew 18:12-14 Sheep astray on a mountain of definitions
Verse routeMatthew 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? [kjv]
Verse route18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. [kjv]

Book: Why did the chicken cross the road?
Why did the chicken cross the road?

 
Why did the sheep go onto the mountain?


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23. Matthew 18:12 On the mountains
Verse routeMatthew 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? [kjv]
Verse routeτι υμιν δοκει εαν γενηται τινι ανθρωπω εκατον προβατα και πλανηθη εν εξ αυτων ουχι αφησει τα ενενηκοντα εννεα επι τα ορη και πορευθεις ζητει το πλανωμενον [gnt]

SheepThe ancient Greek word "πρόβατα""sheep" and comes from the literal words "before" and "walk". Sheep have a tendency to "walk before" or "wander away". Jesus wants "believers" to "walk" "before" with "good works". In that sense, the Greek word for "sheep" is a fitting linguistic analogy.

24. Separation build
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Here is a build summary of the steps.

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25. Attracting sheep and fish
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Obviously, seeing "one" "sheep" going "onto" a "mountain" or "definition" to be "great" and needing to attract others to be "great" is a concern. What should one do about this?

The idea of "joined" together as in "glued" together will be the topic of the next discourse at the start of the next chapter, 22 verses later.

But what if the "sheep" that has become a "bird" and attracted others leave "you" the "one" alone?

How does the group decide which "one" is right and which "one" is wrong? Check the next verses on conflict resolution to resolve both scenarios.

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26. Church conflict review
Consider two viewpoints of the same phenomena from Matthew 18:15-17.

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Discuss: Why is it important that no action be taken against the individual and why might such actions not have been included in the guidelines provided by Jesus?

Discuss: Do churches that have established a book of discipline, or something similar, violated what Jesus says in Matthew 18:15-17

Are we "better together"? Are we "better apart"? Jesus answers this question in the next verses. [Paul, Early Church Fathers, Catholic Church]

An issue with "division" without "action" is when the "gathering of believers" has stored up "treasure" on earth in terms of property, buildings, investments, etc. In any division, each side tends to want that "treasure".

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27. Matthew 18:8-9 Cut out and pluck out
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Verse routeMatthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. [kjv]


Verse route18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [kjv]

If you make the wrong choice, you are not "better together".

You have two ways to relate to others: "fellow believer" or "neighbor".

28. Variations on a theme
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The mathematical idea of the equivalence relation "agrees that x is a sin" divides a group into two separate equivalence classes. Has this happened in recent times? What is "x" in the relation?

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29. Referential transparency
Referential transparency Input-program-output

Mathematical functions can be considered black boxes that, given an input, provide an output. This is much like a computer program. In a black box function, you cannot see inside. You should not "judge" or "separate" based on the internal workings of the box - which you cannot see nor fully understand. Instead, you should "judge" or "separate" based on the external behavior of the box.

The principle of referential transparency can be stated as follows. That is, if f and g are provided input x and both produce output y, for the domain of concern they can be considered the same.

The Greek word for "judge" or "separate" is related to the Greek word for "barley".

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30. Matthew 18:18 Binding and loosing
Verse routeMatthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. [kjv]
Verse routeαμην λεγω υμιν οσα εαν δησητε επι της γης εσται δεδεμενα εν ουρανω και οσα εαν λυσητε επι της γης εσται λελυμενα εν ουρανω [gnt]

The "kingdom of heaven" or "kingdom of the air", as used by Jesus, appears to refer to both good and bad parts of time and space on earth.

For good or for bad, what is bound or loosed on earth is vacuously done in heaven or air. As such, this verse might appear to be a distractor verse that, as a tautology, some will misinterpret to deceive or entrap themselves into thinking that they can do anything they want to do in the name of the church.

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31. Referential transparency
Verse routeMatthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. [kjv]

Bind Loose

The "whatsoever" is translated from two Greek words. The Greek appears to be that of an analogy and not a reality. The English appears to make it more of a reality.

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32. Matthew 18:18 Connections
Verse routeMatthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. [kjv]

Discuss: Jesus will refer to "binding" or "gluing" in 22 verses. But Matthew 18:18 is the end of the discourse except for the "again" review.

The next words spoken by Jesus, omitting the "again" review, that are written by Matthew are the ideas of "binding" or "gluing" and "loosing" or "separating".

33. Matthew 18:18 Connections
Verse routeMatthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. [kjv]

Results 1 Glue Distance
An insight of verse 15-17 was that, given the facts, "glue" yourself to the best choice and "separate" yourself by "plucking out" or "cutting off" from the other choice. You live or are lost by that choice.
Consider a reflexive interpretation of verse 18 - the end of the discourse before the "again" review.

34. Matthew 19:5-6 Glued and separated
Verse routeMatthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? [kjv]
Verse routeκαι ειπεν ενεκα τουτου καταλειψει ανθρωπος τον πατερα και την μητερα και κολληθησεται τη γυναικι αυτου και εσονται οι δυο εις σαρκα μιαν [gnt]
Verse route19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. [kjv]
Verse routeωστε ουκετι εισιν δυο αλλα σαρξ μια ο ουν ο θεος συνεζευξεν ανθρωπος μη χωριζετω [gnt]

What is put together is "one". That is, "man" and "wife" but, in analogy, "Jesus" and "church", "Jesus" and "you". What type of "man" would try to "separate" the "church" or a "little one" or "believer" from "Jesus"? Perhaps by way of "entrapment".

The Greek word for "separate" is the source of the English word "horizon" and comes from the Greek word for "mountain" as a place where one goes to be "great".

35. Matthew 19:4
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KJV: And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Greek: ο δε αποκριθεις ειπεν αυτοις ουκ ανεγνωτε οτι ο ποιησας κτισας απ αρχης αρσεν και θηλυ εποιησεν αυτους

36. Matthew 19:5
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KJV: And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Greek: και ειπεν ενεκεν ενεκα τουτου καταλειψει ανθρωπος τον πατερα και την μητερα και προσκολληθησεται κολληθησεται τη γυναικι αυτου και εσονται οι δυο εις σαρκα μιαν

37. Matthew 19:6
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KJV: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Greek: ωστε ουκετι εισιν δυο αλλα σαρξ μια ο ουν ο θεος συνεζευξεν ανθρωπος μη χωριζετω

38. Matthew 18:19 Again
Verse routeMatthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. [kjv]
Verse routeπαλιν αμην λεγω υμιν οτι εαν δυο συμφωνησωσιν εξ υμων επι της γης περι παντος πραγματος ου εαν αιτησωνται γενησεται αυτοις παρα του πατρος μου του εν ουρανοις [gnt]

The ancient Greek word "πάλιν""again, once more" and can mean "back in time" and is related to the ancient Greek word "παλιά""old". The modern Greek word "πάλιν" (PA-leen) ≈ "again".

Hebrew (often) uses repetition of the same thing in different ways so that one does not misinterpret what is being said. This appears to be mostly for small sound-bites.

Dilbert manager: If you do not understand, try saying it slower and louder.

How does Jesus say the same thing in different ways for entire discourses so that one does not misinterpret what he is saying? Jesus sometimes uses the word "again". So when Jesus says "again", one should look at what has just been said (i.e., in that same discourse) to see to what the "again" refers.

The TR adds the "of you" which breaks the pattern model of the discourse where one of the two is Jesus.

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39. Matthew 18:19 Shall be done
Verse routeMatthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. [kjv]
Verse routeπαλιν αμην λεγω υμιν οτι εαν δυο συμφωνησωσιν εξ υμων επι της γης περι παντος πραγματος ου εαν αιτησωνται γενησεται αυτοις παρα του πατρος μου του εν ουρανοις [gnt]

The Greek for "become" (verse 3) or "shall be done" (verse 19) is that of "come into being" using the same word that in John 3 was taken as "born again".

The ancient Greek word "γίγνομαι""come into being" and is the source of the English word "genesis". The context may indicated being born, being produced, taking place, etc.

The Greek word for "agree" used here is that of "same voice" and is the source of the English word "symphony". That should be music to your ears. The "on the earth" is of the same form as the previous verse and "binding" and "loosing".

Who are the "two" that "agree"?

40. Matthew 18:3,5,19 Two that agree
Verse routeMatthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. [kjv]
Verse route18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. [kjv]
Verse route18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. [kjv]

This is a logical conjunction. You can separate yourself (e.g., by wanting to be the "greatest").

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41. Matthew 18:19 Two that agree
Verse routeMatthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. [kjv]

First time: Again:
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What a nice pair! Could anything possible happen to destroy this relationship?

How about "fish" as "feet", "pigs" as "hands", "birds" as "eyes"? They all want to be "great" and at your expense.

Will Jesus be there when you need him?

42. Matthew 18:20 Two or three gathered
Verse routeMatthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. [kjv]
Verse routeου γαρ εισιν δυο η τρεις συνηγμενοι εις το εμον ονομα εκει ειμι εν μεσω αυτων [gnt]

 1    2     3    4   5   6   ... 

The "again" from the previous verse appears to still be in force since this is the end of the discourse. The verse boundaries were established in the Middle Ages.

Let us not use an open-ended opinion by making up some reason or rationalization.

Where have we seen "two" or "three" during the discourse?

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43. Matthew 18:6-7 Two or three
Verse routeMatthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. [kjv]
Verse route18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! [kjv]

Midst 1
Those who would be "greatest", such as "sheep" who become "birds" or "eyes", "pigs" or "hands", "fish" or "feet" will try to "ensnare" or "entrap" the "sheep" or "little one" or you.
Where have we seen "two" or "three" during the discourse?

44. Matthew 18:8-9,20 Two or three
The "hand" or "pig" and the "foot" or "fish" constitute "two" .
Verse routeMatthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. [kjv]

The "eye" or "bird" adds one more to constitute "three" .
Verse route18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [kjv]

Are those "gathering together" also "sitting together"? The Greek word for "council" as "sitting together" can be a play on words with "together three". Who is in the "midst" besides Jesus?
Verse route18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. [kjv]
Verse routeου γαρ εισιν δυο η τρεις συνηγμενοι εις το εμον ονομα εκει ειμι εν μεσω αυτων [gnt]


45. Matthew 18:2,5,20 In the midst
Verse routeMatthew 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, [kjv]
Verse route18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. [kjv]
Verse route18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. [kjv]

Midst 1
The ancient Greek word "μέσος""middle, between" as in the (first part of the) English word "Mesopotamia".
You are that "one" "little child" in the "middle". Jesus is in the "middle" with you to help "block" those "two" or "three" that have "gathered together" to use you to be "greatest" by any means possible, including force, deception, etc.

46. Matthew 18:20 Two or three
Verse routeMatthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. [kjv]

Midst 1 Midst 3

These "two" or "three" appear to be the "hand", "foot" (for "two") and "eye" (for "three") that "gather together" for the purpose of "entrapment".

From the previous verses: You are not alone. Jesus is in the "middle" with you, if you both "agree", to help withstand the "entrapment" of the "hand", "foot" and "eye" as they attempt to "entrap" you and as you try to "block" them ("cut" or "pluck" them out and "cast" away).

47. Usage - gathered together
*G4863 *59 συνάγω (soon-ag'-o) : from G4862 and G71; to lead together, i.e. collect or convene; specially, to entertain (hospitably):--+ accompany, assemble (selves, together), bestow, come together, gather (selves together, up, together), lead into, resort, take in.
Word usage per chapter Words: συναγαγειν=3 συναγαγετε=2 συναγαγη συναγαγοντες=2 συναγαγουση συναγαγων=2 συναγει συναγεται συναγονται=2 συναγουσιν=2 συναγω συναγων=3 συναξει συναξω=2 συναχθεντες συναχθεντων συναχθηναι=2 συναχθησονται=2 συναχθητε συνηγαγεν συνηγαγετε=2 συνηγαγομεν συνηγαγον=4 συνηγμενα συνηγμενοι=3 συνηγμενων=3 συνηχθη=4 συνηχθησαν=9

Jesus uses one word once and another twice.

48. Matthew 24:28
Verse routeMatthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. [kjv]
Verse routeοπου εαν η το πτωμα εκει συναχθησονται οι αετοι [gnt]

In the "Olivet Discourse" in Matthew 24, Jesus is asked by his disciples and talks about the "End Times" or "All of It".

The "carcase" is that of "corpse" is related to the Greek word for "fallen ones" or "poor" which Jesus uses as a figurative reference for those who need the "Good News".

It appears that in the "End Times", the "birds" who prey on others have run out of dead bodies (dead in Christ) on which to prey (or pray).

It is a (today somewhat politically incorrect) instance of a statement of "too many Chiefs (birds) and not enough Indians (corpses or fish)" (where the word "chief" is a French word related to "chef").

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49. Matthew 18:19-20 Comparison
Verse routeMatthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. [kjv]
Verse route18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. [kjv]

Matthew 18: First time: Matthew 18: Again: Matthew 5,18: Wall
Midst 2 Midst 4 Active
Midst 3 Midst 5 Active

Consider what Jesus has said. What might be your next question?

50. Comparison
First time:
Midst 3
Again:
Midst 5
The "snares" of "entrapment" of those "gathered together" "against" the "name" of Jesus and "against" the "little one" as "believers" (of any age) are such "great" "sins" such that a "millstone" analogy is used by Jesus.
 
What is a next logical question to be asked by someone who is attentively following what Jesus has been saying?


51. Matthew 18:2,5,19-20 Build
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Verse routeMatthew 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, [kjv]
Verse route18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. [kjv]
Verse route18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. [kjv]
Verse route18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. [kjv]

The "sheep" are those that have "come into being" and are "forgiven".

52. Matthew 13:45-46 One pearl
Verse routeMatthew 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: [kjv]
Verse routeπαλιν ομοια εστιν η βασιλεια των ουρανων εμπορω ζητουντι καλους μαργαριτας [gnt]
Verse routemargaritas [v]
Verse route13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. [kjv]
Verse route ευρων δε ενα πολυτιμον μαργαριτην απελθων πεπρακεν παντα οσα ειχεν και ηγορασεν αυτον [gnt]

Chain Pearls
Revelation defines a "merchant man" as a "great one of the earth". Why might a "great" one of the earth sell everything, but not himself, to obtain "one" pearl? Are not "many" pearls needed. That is, at least two pearls, needed. If everything is sold to buy one pearl, which pearls are thus not obtained? Obtaining only one pearl is like having one link in a chain. From Matthew 18, that "one" or "sheep" or "little one" might be you! Have you been "bought" to help someone else be "great"?
Might the two most important laws identified by Jesus be two "pearls". Both are needed. What happens if one obtains only one of these "pearls"?

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53. Matthew 18:20-21 Sin against my name and you
Verse routeMatthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. [kjv]
Verse route18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? [kjv]

Translators tend to take great liberty in translating the Greek. Using the same meaning for the same word results in the two following choices. One way: The other way: There may be other ways. In the preceding verses, the "little ones" or "believers" (of any age) were connected with "you" as the "one" (one cookie rule).

The same word "εις""into"where the meaning can be modified by context.

54. Matthew 18:21 Peter interrupts
Verse routeMatthew 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? [kjv]
Verse routeτοτε προσελθων ο πετρος ειπεν αυτω κυριε ποσακις αμαρτησει εις εμε ο αδελφος μου και αφησω αυτω εως επτακις [gnt]

Peter then interrupts with a question which some pastors attribute to Peter making awkward statements. Peter tends to think as a scientist. What did Jesus say that might have lead Peter to make such an interruption?

Perhaps Peter added 2 (agreeing) plus 2 (gathered together) plus 3 (gathered together) to get 7.

Verse 1 says "at that same time". The verses right before in chapter 17 are for Peter to go get a "fish" and take the "coin" from the "mouth" of the "fish" and give it to the religious authorities "in place of" Jesus and Peter. Peter had not yet done this and had a lot on his mind at the time.

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55. Matthew 18:21
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KJV: Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Greek: τοτε προσελθων αυτω ο πετρος ειπεν αυτω κυριε ποσακις αμαρτησει εις εμε ο αδελφος μου και αφησω αυτω εως επτακις

56. 1 Timothy 6:10 Silver
Verse route1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. [kjv]
Verse routeριζα γαρ παντων των κακων εστιν η φιλαργυρια ης τινες ορεγομενοι απεπλανηθησαν απο της πιστεως και εαυτους περιεπειραν οδυναις πολλαις [gnt]

SilverThe ancient Greek word "φιλαργυρια""love of silver" and which is translated as "covertness" or "love of money" comes from "φίλος""that which is loved or important, friend" and "ἄργυρος""silver".
Discuss: Which is the root of all evil?

57. Genesis 1:26,28 Replenish and dominion
Verse routeGenesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [kjv]
Verse routeκαι ειπεν ο θεος ποιησωμεν ανθρωπον κατ εικονα ημετεραν και καθ ομοιωσιν και αρχετωσαν των ιχθυων της θαλασσης και των πετεινων του ουρανου και των κτηνων και πασης της γης και παντων των ερπετων των ερποντων επι της γης [lxx]

Verse route1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. [kjv]
Verse routeκαι ηυλογησεν αυτους ο θεος λεγων αυξανεσθε και πληθυνεσθε και πληρωσατε την γην και κατακυριευσατε αυτης και αρχετε των ιχθυων της θαλασσης και των πετεινων του ουρανου και παντων των κτηνων και πασης της γης και παντων των ερπετων των ερποντων επι της γης [lxx]

The word "replenish" means to "fill up" or, in Greek, "complete". Man is to have "dominion" over the "fish", "birds", "pigs", "wolves", "snakes", etc., but not over other men. Is this a "root" of "evil"? Would men as "fish", "birds", "pigs", "wolves", "snakes", etc., ever attempt to have "dominion" over men such as "sheep"?

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58. Matthew 5:29-30 Overview
Verse routeMatthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]

Verse route5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [kjv]

Active Active

The previous verse was from the man's point of view (e.g., groom, Jesus, God). This verse requires one to switch to the woman's point of view (e.g., bride, Church, Israel).

One reaction of the woman is to block or reject such advances.

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59. Matthew 5:31-32 Cutout the adultery and divorce
Verse routeMatthew 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: [kjv]
Verse route5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. [kjv]

Divorced Divorced

The KJV (King James Version) translates as "cause" and "causeth" the Greek words that do not mean "cause".

One reaction is to allow or accept such advances. This is fornication. The husband can then divorce or separate from or put away the woman. The man who then marries the woman commits active adultery as does the woman.

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