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Matthew Mustard seeds and moving mountains
1. Matthew Mustard seeds and moving mountains
2. Review: Matthew 13 Woman and leaven parable 4
Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. [kjv]
αλλην παραβολην ελαλησεν αυτοις ομοια εστιν η βασιλεια των ουρανων ζυμη ην λαβουσα γυνη ενεκρυψεν εις αλευρου σατα τρια εως ου εζυμωθη ολον [gnt]
Discussion: Is there any possible connection between the following?
☐ woman
☐ headdress
☐ false doctrine (encrypted)
☐ coins (wealth)
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☐ aspects of Satan
☐ historical context
☐ large church organization
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The Greek for "
hide" or "
encrypt" is a word similar to the Greek word for "
bake". If "
wheat" is "
baked" before the "
leaven" rises, the "
leaven" (false doctrine) can appear as "
unleavened" (true doctrine).
This fourth parable comes right after the third parable about the mustard seed growing into a tree and the birds.
3. Matthew Mustard seeds and moving mountains
Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [kjv]
The word
"mustard seed" , in growing into a "
tree", connects with
"this" "mountain". How much
"faith" is needed? Is moving
"this" "mountain" a good idea?
Moving
"this" "mountain" changes the location. Moving it into the
"sea" destroys/dissolves it.
Are we supposed to be moving mountains? Should we be telling it on the mountain?
4. Song: Go tell it on the mountain
Not "come and see" but "come and hear" (with understanding).
Not "go and show" but "go and teach" (with understanding).
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [kjv]
πορευθεντες ουν μαθητευσατε παντα τα εθνη βαπτιζοντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και του υιου και του αγιου πνευματος [gnt]
The song "
Go tell it on the mountain" was originally a Negro spiritual. After the Civil War, at Fisk College in Tennessee, a singing group with a slave heritage went around singing to raise money for the school. The song was finally written down and, over time, became popular as a Christmas song, talking about the shepherds and the birth of Jesus.
Negro spiritual, written down before forgotten
Children did not value their slave heritage
Sung at Christmas, Easter, and other times.
5. Verse 1
Go, tell it on the mountain. Over the hills and everywhere.
Go, tell it on the mountain. That Jesus Christ is born.
While shepherds kept their watching
Over silent flocks by night
Behold throughout the heavens
There shone a holy light
Go, tell it on the mountain. Over the hills and everywhere.
Go, tell it on the mountain. That Jesus Christ is born.
6. Deacons can move walls
Pastors preach about great
"faith" being able to move
any "mountain".
To
sum it (summit) all up on
mountains, a widely
held (hilled) view, to
top it off, is to use a
higher level of
thought (thaw-it) at the highest
attitudes (altitudes).
[Over the heel]
In some churches, it appears that Deacons (and office staff) can move walls. No mention of mountains here.
Daniel made some "
off the wall" comments in reading the handwriting on the wall.
7. Deacons can move walls
It the more global context, perhaps "
the wall" that a deacon can move is
not "
the wall" on which the sign is attached.
The deacons (and office staff) can move "
this wall" and
not "
that wall".
Jesus says that (unspecified)
"faith" can move
"this" "mountain" and
not "
that mountain" or "
any (other) mountain".
8. Mountains of Oreo cookies
The ancient Greek word (
smooth breathing)
"ὄρος" ≈ "mountain".
Ancient Greek appears to have had no word for hill. They lived in a very mountainous area. Note that the English often uses
"hills" where the Greek uses
"mountains". The English state named
"Montana" is from the Spanish word
"montaña" ≈ "mountain" which is from the Latin word
"montanus" ≈ "mountain".
The origin of the name "
Oreo" in "
Oreo cookie" is unknown.
One idea (there are others) is that it came from the Greek word for
"mountain".
Aristotle uses the word for
"mountain" often in his work on
Meteorology.
English: From Pyrene (this is a mountain range towards the equinoctial sunset in Celtice) there flow the Istrus and the Tartessus (Loeb#397, p. 97)
Greek: ἐκ δὲ τῆς Πυρήνης (τοῦτο δ' ἐστὶν ὄρος πρὸς δυσμὴν ἰσημερινὴν ἐν τῇ Κελτικῇ) ῥέουσιν ὅ τε Ἴστρος καὶ ὁ Ταρτησσός. [350b]
Aristotle mentions the
Pyrenees mountains and the
Celts as a general Greek name for what is today Spain and France. The Latin name for the Celts was the Gauls.
9. The gall of the Celts
The Romans called the
Celts the
Gauls. The area of Gaul's (Celts) in Asia Minor was called Galatia.
Paul wrote the letter to these Galatians.
Julius Caesar slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Gauls and wrote back glowing letters to Rome about his accomplishments.
Galatia, as in Paul's Letter to the
Galatians (or Celts) were populated by Gauls/Celts.
Celts is pronounced with a hard "C" as in "K" as in "Kelts".
Celtics, as in the Boston Celtics basketball team, is pronounced with a soft "C" as in "S" as in "Seltics".
10. Strongs
- *H2022 הַר (har) : a shortened form of H2042; a mountain or range of hills (sometimes used figuratively):--hill (country), mount(-ain), X promotion.
11. Strongs - mountain
- *G3735 *64 ὄρος (or'-os) : probably from an obsolete oro (to rise or "rear"; perhaps akin to G142; compare G3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): -hill, mount(-ain).
- ορος *29
- Matthew 4:8 ... into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him ...
- Matthew 5:1 ... the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he ...
- Matthew 14:23 ... away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when ...
- Matthew 15:29 ... and went up into a mountain, and sat down there.
- Matthew 17:1 ... up into an high mountain apart,
- Matthew 21:1 ... to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent ...
- Matthew 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
- Matthew 28:16 ... into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
- Mark 3:13 And he goeth up into a mountain, and calleth unto him whom ...
- Mark 6:46 ... away, he departed into a mountain to pray.
- Mark 9:2 ... up into an high mountain apart by ...
- Mark 11:1 ... and Bethany, at the mount of Olives, he sendeth forth two ...
- Mark 13:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, ...
- Mark 14:26 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
- Luke 3:5 ... shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; ...
- Luke 6:12 ... days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night ...
- Luke 9:28 ... James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
- Luke 19:29 ... and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent ...
- Luke 21:37 ... he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives.
- Luke 22:39 ... as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his ...
- John 6:3 And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat ...
- John 6:15 ... he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
- John 8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
- John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, ...
- Galatians 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, ...
- Revelation 6:14 ... when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved ...
- Revelation 8:8 ... and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast ...
- Revelation 14:1 ... a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with ...
- Revelation 21:10 ... a great and high mountain, and shewed me ...
- ορους *12
- Matthew 5:14 ... A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
- Matthew 8:1 When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.
- Matthew 17:9 ... they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, ...
- Matthew 24:3 ... he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came ...
- Mark 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that ...
- Luke 4:29 ... him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city ...
- Luke 9:37 ... they were come down from the hill, much people met him.
- Luke 19:37 ... even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude ...
- Acts 1:12 ... unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which ...
- Acts 7:30 ... to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord ...
- Galatians 4:24 ... covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to ...
- Hebrews 12:20 ... And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
- ορει *11
- Matthew 17:20 ... of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence ...
- Matthew 21:21 ... also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and ...
- Mark 5:11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd ...
- Mark 11:23 ... whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast ...
- Luke 8:32 ... swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him ...
- John 4:20 ... worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, ...
- John 4:21 ... neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, ...
- Acts 7:38 ... spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our ...
- Hebrews 8:5 ... shewed to thee in the mount.
- Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city ...
- 2 Peter 1:18 ... him in the holy mount.
- ορη *7
- Matthew 18:12 ... the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
- Matthew 24:16 ... Judaea flee into the mountains:
- Mark 13:14 ... Judæa flee to the mountains:
- Luke 21:21 ... Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in ...
- 1 Corinthians 13:2 ... faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not ...
- Revelation 16:20 ... island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
- Revelation 17:9 ... heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
- ορεσιν *4
- Mark 5:5 ... day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, ...
- Luke 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; ...
- Hebrews 11:38 ... in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and ...
- Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall ...
- ορεων
- Revelation 6:15 ... and in the rocks of the mountains;
12. Usage - mountain
*G3735 *64 ὄρος (or'-os) : probably from an obsolete oro (to rise or "rear"; perhaps akin to G142; compare G3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): -hill, mount(-ain).
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Words: ορει=11 ορεσιν=4 ορεων ορη=7 ορος=29 ορους=12
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The ancient Greek word (
smooth breathing)
"ὄρος" ≈ "mountain".
13. Armageddon
*H2022 הַר (har) : a shortened form of H2042; a mountain or range of hills (sometimes used figuratively):--hill (country), mount(-ain), X promotion.
Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. [kjv]
… הרי … [he]
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The Hebrew word "הרי" (ha-re) ≈ "mountains". The battle of "Armageddon" is from the Hebrew for "Har Megiddon", the "Mountain of Megiddo".
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The mound (or city) of Megiddo is, in Hebrew, "
Tel Megiddo". The
"mountain" is actually a "
mound" of a "
city" that has built up, layer by layer, such that it is referred to as a
"mountain". Megiddo is found twelve times in the
OT (Old Testament) and once in Revelation.
14. Mountains of Ararat
Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. [kjv]
… הרי … [he]
και εκαθισεν η κιβωτος εν μηνι τω εβδομω εβδομη και εικαδι του μηνος επι τα ορη τα αραρατ [lxx]
11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. [kjv]
και εγενετο εν τω κινησαι αυτους απο ανατολων ευρον πεδιον εν γη σεννααρ και κατωκησαν εκει [lxx]
15. Calendars: Anniversary in advance
Speaking about the passover, Moses is later given the following directive from God.
Exodus 12:2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. [kjv]
ο μην ουτος υμιν αρχη μηνων πρωτος εστιν υμιν εν τοις μησιν του ενιαυτου [lxx]
This created two calendars in Israel, a
civil calendar and a
religious calendar, with a change of 6 months.
New moon on the 14th of a 28 day lunar cycle.
Add three days and three nights to get the 17th.
Note that if one reconciles the "
three days and three nights" in the grave with resurrection Sunday, then the 14th of the month is Passover (according to the above calendar change and following verses) and the 17th of the month is resurrection Sunday. With the month change above, resurrection Sunday is on the anniversary of the resting of Noah's arc on mountains of Ararat.
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Details are left as a future topic.
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16. Genesis 11:2
KJV: And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
Hebrew: ויהי בנסעם מקדם וימצאו בקעה בארץ שנער וישבו שם׃
Greek: και εγενετο εν τω κινησαι αυτους απο ανατολων ευρον πεδιον εν γη σεννααρ και κατωκησαν εκει
17. Jesus examined
In the temptations (examination in order to deceive) of Jesus in the wilderness, the devil takes him to a very high
"mountain".
Wycliffe uses
"hil" for
"mountain".
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; [kjv]
παλιν παραλαμβανει αυτον ο διαβολος εις ορος υψηλον λιαν και δεικνυσιν αυτω πασας τας βασιλειας του κοσμου και την δοξαν αυτων [gnt]
… montem … gloriam … [v]
… munt… wuldor. [wes]
… hil… ioye … [wy]
… mountayne … glorie … [ty]
4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. [kjv]
Jesus does not contend nor does he dispute the devil's ability to provide the things promised.
Who is the power in control (as God permits) of the kingdoms of the world?
The Greek translated as "
temptation" means an examination, often to deceive, using things the person knows or believes to be true.
18. Matthew 4:8
KJV: Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Greek: παλιν παραλαμβανει αυτον ο διαβολος εις ορος υψηλον λιαν και δεικνυσιν αυτω πασας τας βασιλειας του κοσμου και την δοξαν αυτων
Latin: iterum adsumit eum diabolus in montem excelsum valde et ostendit ei omnia regna mundi et gloriam eorum
Wessex: Eft se deofel hine nam. & ledde hine on swiðe heagene munt. & ateowede hym ealne midden-eardes riche. & hire wuldor.
Wycliffe: Eftsoone the feend took hym in to a ful hiy hil, and schewide to hym alle the rewmes of the world, and the ioye of hem;
Tyndale: The devyll toke hym vp agayne and ledde hym in to an excedynge hye mountayne and shewed hym all the kyngdomes of ye worlde and all ye glorie of them
19. Matthew 4:9
KJV: And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Greek: και λεγει ειπεν αυτω ταυτα παντα σοι παντα δωσω εαν πεσων προσκυνησης μοι
20. Matthew 17:19-21 Context
Matthew 17:19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? [kjv]
17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
ο δε λεγει αυτοις δια την ολιγοπιστιαν υμων αμην γαρ λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν ως κοκκον σιναπεως ερειτε τω ορει τουτω μεταβα ενθεν εκει και μεταβησεται και ουδεν αδυνατησει υμιν [gnt]
17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. [kjv]
The last verse is not in some Greek manuscripts.
Let us look at the middle verse in terms of the
"mustard plant" from the parable of the mustard seed.
21. Faith as a mustard seed
Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
Some preach that "
faith as a mustard seed can move mountains".
What is a "mountain"? Is moving a "mountain" (always) a good idea?
Is this "any" mountain or the one and only "this" mountain?
Is the "faith" good, bad or indifferent?
The "unbelief" is used for the Greek word "small belief".
What is a "mustard seed"? Is that "faith" "small" or "large"?
The verse does not answer these questions.
22. Matthew 17:19
KJV: Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
Greek: τοτε προσελθοντες οι μαθηται τω ιησου κατ ιδιαν ειπον ειπαν δια τι ημεις ουκ ηδυνηθημεν εκβαλειν αυτο
23. Matthew 17:20
KJV: And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Greek: ο δε ιησους ειπεν λεγει αυτοις δια την απιστιαν ολιγοπιστιαν υμων αμην γαρ λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν ως κοκκον σιναπεως ερειτε τω ορει τουτω μεταβηθι εντευθεν μεταβα ενθεν εκει και μεταβησεται και ουδεν αδυνατησει υμιν
24. Matthew 17:21
KJV: Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Greek: τουτο δε το γενος ουκ εκπορευεται ει μη εν προσευχη και νηστεια
25. Matthew 17:20 Faith and mustard seed
Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
ο δε λεγει αυτοις δια την ολιγοπιστιαν υμων αμην γαρ λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν ως κοκκον σιναπεως ερειτε τω ορει τουτω μεταβα ενθεν εκει και μεταβησεται και ουδεν αδυνατησει υμιν [gnt]
Does "
this mountain" mean a particular mountain as a one time action or to "
any mountain"?
The
KJV (King James Version) translates as "
unbelief" (in some manuscripts) the Greek word that means "
little belief".
The Greek translated as "
not impossible" has the idea of being "
potentially possible".
This does not mean that one can actually do it. It means that there is the potential to do it. Does the "
nothing shall be impossible" or "
everything shall be potentially possible" apply if the mountain is
not moved?
26. Matthew 17:20 Faith and mustard seed
Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
ο δε λεγει αυτοις δια την ολιγοπιστιαν υμων αμην γαρ λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν ως κοκκον σιναπεως ερειτε τω ορει τουτω μεταβα ενθεν εκει και μεταβησεται και ουδεν αδυνατησει υμιν [gnt]
If the
"seed" of the
"mustard plant" is a play on words referring to Rome, then their
"faith", more or less than "
little", might be the reason why their empire, or
"mountain" was moved and/or fell into the sea.
The English prefix "
re-" in "
remove" as "
move" is similar to that of the "
re-" in "
research" as "
search".
27. Doubt and discernment
Matthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [kjv]
αποκριθεις δε ο ιησους ειπεν αυτοις αμην λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν και μη διακριθητε ου μονον το της συκης ποιησετε αλλα καν τω ορει τουτω ειπητε αρθητι και βληθητι εις την θαλασσαν γενησεται [gnt]
The
KJV uses
"doubt" but the Greek word is
"discern" as in
"through division". Does this make sense?
That is, "
If you do not discern, you can do this...". You better be careful. If you do not
"discern" you might do something that may not be good. Might this happen if your faith is lacking? What if you "
over-think" it?
28. Matthew 21:21
KJV: Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
Greek: αποκριθεις δε ο ιησους ειπεν αυτοις αμην λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν και μη διακριθητε ου μονον το της συκης ποιησετε αλλα καν τω ορει τουτω ειπητε αρθητι και βληθητι εις την θαλασσαν γενησεται
29. Thought comparison
Here is a joke. One can substitute any school for it. Note that an
MBA (Masters of Business Administration) is a graduate degree for those who will be managers - even to being the head of a company.
How do you get a Penn State MBA graduate their own small business?
Give them a big business and wait.
Could the same joke be used with pastors?
What do you have to do to get out of shape physically?
Nothing.
What do you have to do to get out of shape mentally?
Nothing.
What do you have to do to get out of shape spiritually?
Nothing.
30. Destruction
31. Ask, seek and knock
Do we have the freedom to make the Bible say whatever we want it to say?
Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: [kjv]
αιτειτε και δοθησεται υμιν ζητειτε και ευρησετε κρουετε και ανοιγησεται υμιν [gnt]
In the context of Matthew 7, If one asks, seeks and knocks on the wide gate to destruction, it will open.
32. Matthew 7:7
KJV: Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Greek: αιτειτε και δοθησεται υμιν ζητειτε και ευρησετε κρουετε και ανοιγησεται υμιν
33. Matthew Discern and mountain
Matthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [kjv]
αποκριθεις δε ο ιησους ειπεν αυτοις αμην λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν και μη διακριθητε ου μονον το της συκης ποιησετε αλλα καν τω ορει τουτω ειπητε αρθητι και βληθητι εις την θαλασσαν γενησεται [gnt]
The "
fig tree" appears to represent Israel in Judea at the time. They were not an empire or
"mountain", but had a human hierarchy
"tree" in the religious establishment and those working with the Romans (mostly against the people).
Israel or Judea as the "
fig tree" with "
no fruit" will "
dry up" in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple.
(rulers as a root)
34. The Roman Empire under Constantine
In 325 Constantine became emperor. He recognized and officially tolerated Christianity, which soon became the official religion of Rome.
The relatively flat structure of the church (mustard seeds and plants) soon grew into a large tree structure. Birds came to make homes and reside in that tree.
Under Constantine, Rome extended from England in the north-east to Spain in the south-east across north Africa to Egypt and the Sinai Peninsula in the south-west up through Palestine and Syria and Turkey (Asia), and across Europe to France, essentially south of the Danube, Alps, and west of the Rhine river.
35. Chi Rho
χ + ρ = ☧ = Χ + Ρ
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The "
chi rho" symbol became established under
Constantine as a combination of two Greek letters, "
chi" and "
rho", the first two letters of
"Χριστός" ≈ "Christ".
Might there by any interesting
gematria meanings from the two letters?
"Χ" = 600 (the first letter of 666)
"ρ" = 100
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Details are left as a future topic.
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The Unicode for "
Chi Rho" in the miscellaneous symbols block is "
U+2627" or
☧.
36. Helena and Rome under Constantine
The mother of Constantine,
Helena, toured the Roman Empire looking for historical sites of the Bible. Wherever these sites were declared, religious sites, churches, monasteries, etc., sprang up.
It was convenient that two important sites were found by Helena within the bounds of the Roman Empire at that time, despite Biblical indications that the site was elsewhere.
Noah's Ark in Turkey (Bible appears to indicate Iran, in Genesis).
Mount Sinai in the Sinai Peninsula (in two places the Bible indicates Arabia)
37. Constantine and the deep state
Emperor
Constantine (275-337) was so disgusted by the politics and deep state in Rome in the 4th Century, that he ordered (commanded) that the capitol of
Rome be
moved to a new city, soon named
Constantinople.
Rome was an empire.
An empire is represented as a mountain.
That mountain was moved.
How much "faith" was required?
Was moving the mountain good or bad?
What is represented by a "seed" of "mustard plant"?
Within a short time, a new deep state (tree with birds nesting) was established in Constantinople.
38. Constantinople
Κωνσταντινούπολη or "
Constantinople" is, literally, the "
City of Constantine".
The Turkish word is "
Istanbul" where the "
bul" at the end is from "
pol" and the "
Istan" is how they appeared to have heard the first part "
Constantin" (omitting the first part).
39. Hellespont
The English word
"strait" means "
narrow".
How did the huge Persian army get across?
For the Persian army to get from Asia Minor (Turkey) to Greek, it was necessary to cross over. The best places to do this is called the Dardanelles or the Bosporus (literally, "
cow crossing" in folk etymology). These crossing points separate the Aegean Sea and the Black Sea.
40. Herodotus
Herodotus reports that Xerxes, son of Darius, about 482 BC, had two pontoon bridges built across the Hellespont.
Herodotus reports that a storm destroyed the bridges and Xerxes had the builders executed (beheaded) and had the straight itself whipped (300 lashes) as a punishment.
The engineers then used ships lashed together with planks between them to allow the army to cross. Additional anchors were added to each ship to keep them from moving too much.
Some of those techniques are still used today.
41. Matthew Move a mountain
Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
ο δε λεγει αυτοις δια την ολιγοπιστιαν υμων αμην γαρ λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν ως κοκκον σιναπεως ερειτε τω ορει τουτω μεταβα ενθεν εκει και μεταβησεται και ουδεν αδυνατησει υμιν [gnt]
If Rome is considered a
"mountain", as in an "
empire", then
Constantine, through
"faith", did "
move" the
"mountain" of
Rome to
Constantinople.
Less than 200 years later, Western Roman Empire (Rome) fell into the sea.
In 1452, the Eastern Roman Empire (Constantinople) was conquered.
42. Constantine and Rome
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If Constantine (and Rome) did not divide, as "through division" or "discernment", translated "doubt" in the KJV, into east and west, that entire "mountain" could have been moved into the "sea".
Most empires are taken over by another stronger empire. Rome is a conspicuous exception. This was predicted by Daniel in several prophecies. The most familiar is the dream and golden statue that led to the fiery furnace.
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43. Matthew 21:21 Mountain into the sea
Matthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [kjv]
αποκριθεις δε ο ιησους ειπεν αυτοις αμην λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν και μη διακριθητε ου μονον το της συκης ποιησετε αλλα καν τω ορει τουτω ειπητε αρθητι και βληθητι εις την θαλασσαν γενησεται [gnt]
If
Constantine (and Rome) did not divide, as
"through division" or
"discernment", translated
"doubt" in the
KJV, into east and west, that entire
"mountain" could have been moved into the
"sea".
44. Daniel 2:45
Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. [kjv]
45. Daniel 2:45
KJV: Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
Hebrew: כל קבל די חזית די מטורא אתגזרת אבן די לא בידין והדקת פרזלא נחשא חספא כספא ודהבא אלה רב הודע למלכא מה די להוא אחרי דנה ויציב חלמא ומהימן פשרה׃
Greek: ον τροπον ειδες οτι απο ορους ετμηθη λιθος ανευ χειρων και ελεπτυνεν το οστρακον τον σιδηρον τον χαλκον τον αργυρον τον χρυσον ο θεος ο μεγας εγνωρισεν τω βασιλει α δει γενεσθαι μετα ταυτα και αληθινον το ενυπνιον και πιστη η συγκρισις αυτου
46. Mountains and hills
Ancient Greece was very hilly, to the point that hills were what we call mountains. In Ancient Greek, the word for "
hill" and "
mountain" was the same.
47. Mountains and hills
48. Matthew 5:14
KJV: Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Greek: υμεις εστε το φως του κοσμου ου δυναται πολις κρυβηναι επανω ορους κειμενη
Latin: vos estis lux mundi non potest civitas abscondi supra montem posita
Wessex: Ge synd midden-eardes leoht. ne maig syo ceastre beon behyd. þe beoð up on munt äset.
49. Paul
1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [kjv]
εαν ταις γλωσσαις των ανθρωπων λαλω και των αγγελων αγαπην δε μη εχω γεγονα χαλκος ηχων η κυμβαλον αλαλαζον [gnt]
13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [kjv]
καν και εαν εχω προφητειαν και ειδω τα μυστηρια παντα και πασαν την γνωσιν καν και εαν εχω πασαν την πιστιν ωστε ορη μεθιστανειν αγαπην δε μη εχω ουθεν ειμι [gnt]
Paul appears to use the saying about
"faith" and
"mountains". Paul appears to be making the statement in a figurative sense without any play on words, etc. Not so in the previous verse.
The "
love chapter" of 1 Corinthians 13 is set up in chapter 12 and in continued in chapter 14. Paul is using an indirect way of the lack of importance in speaking in tongues.
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Details are left as a future topic.
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50. 1 Corinthians 13:1
KJV: Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
Greek: εαν ταις γλωσσαις των ανθρωπων λαλω και των αγγελων αγαπην δε μη εχω γεγονα χαλκος ηχων η κυμβαλον αλαλαζον
51. 1 Corinthians 13:2
KJV: And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Greek: καν και εαν εχω προφητειαν και ειδω τα μυστηρια παντα και πασαν την γνωσιν καν και εαν εχω πασαν την πιστιν ωστε ορη μεθιστανειν αγαπην δε μη εχω ουθεν ειμι
52. Strongs - clanging
- *G214 *2 ἀλαλάζω (al-al-ad'-zo) : from alale ( a shout, "halloo"); to vociferate, i.e. (by implication) to wail; figuratively, to clang:--tinkle, wail.
- αλαλαζοντας
- Mark 5:38 ... the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly.
- αλαλαζον
- 1 Corinthians 13:1 ... as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
53. Strongs - cymbal
- *G2950 *1 κύμβαλον (koom'-bal-on) : from a derivative of the base of G2949; a "cymbal" (as hollow):--cymbal.
- κυμβαλον
- 1 Corinthians 13:1 ... brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
54. Usage - clanging cymbal
55. Defining a definition
The ancient Greek word (
rough breathing)
"ὅρος" ≈ "boundary, definition" and is the source of the English word
"horizon".
Aristotle often emphasizes the importance of
"definitions" in identifying bad logic. Of course, Aristotle then defines what he means by a
"definition".
English: A definition is a phrase indicating the essence of something. (Loeb#391, p. 281)
Greek: Ἔστι δ´ ὅρος μὲν λόγος ὁ τὸ τί ἦν εἶναι σημαίνων, [Topica, 101b-102a]
"λόγος" ≈ "rational explanation, word".
"σημαίνω" ≈ "to indicate" and is the source, through French, of the English word "semantics".
The aspirated rough breathing comes through in Latin and into English in the sound of the letter "
h". Aristotle used this word for "
definition" many times. This was only used for a while in the first century BC and discontinued but persists in ancient Greek notations to this day.
56. Play on words
57. Latin Vulgate conjecture
Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
Consider the play on words between
"mountain" and
"definition" in Greek.
Late in the fourth century,
Jerome translated what was to be called the
Latin Vulgate. The
definitions of many words of the "
doctrine" or "
teaching" were "
moved" to be something other than what appears to have been meant in the Greek. The woman "
encrypted" or "
baked" false doctrine (leaven) with true doctrine (wheat flour) until it was
all mixed together but appeared as true doctrine.
The moving of this mountain (i.e., many definitions) did put that present and future church in a position to do what might have been considered "
impossible" before that time.
58. Review: Matthew 13 Woman and leaven parable 4
Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. [kjv]
αλλην παραβολην ελαλησεν αυτοις ομοια εστιν η βασιλεια των ουρανων ζυμη ην λαβουσα γυνη ενεκρυψεν εις αλευρου σατα τρια εως ου εζυμωθη ολον [gnt]
Discussion: Is there any possible connection between the following?
☐ woman
☐ headdress
☐ false doctrine (encrypted)
☐ coins (wealth)
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☐ aspects of Satan
☐ historical context
☐ large church organization
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The Greek for "
hide" or "
encrypt" is a word similar to the Greek word for "
bake". If "
wheat" is "
baked" before the "
leaven" rises, the "
leaven" (false doctrine) can appear as "
unleavened" (true doctrine).
This fourth parable comes right after the third parable about the mustard seed growing into a tree and the birds.
59. Historical interpretation of church history
The parable of the mustard seed corresponds to historical period of Constantine when church organization went from a relatively flat to a big tree-structured organization.
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The probability that all three would be ordered together is 1 in 5040*5040*5040 or 1 in 128,024,064,000 ≈ 128 billion.
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Some people prefer to just use church history to help remember the order of the churches, parables and beatitudes.
The horizontal scale is time. The vertical scale is the proportion that history evidences the traits of those verses. The historical interpretation is like a linear combination in mathematics in that what the verses say is more valid in some time periods than other time periods.
The probability that any
7 objects would be ordered at random in a given order is
7! =
7*6*5*4*3*2*1 or
1 in
5040. Note that there were many more possible churches or parables or beatitudes than used by Jesus.
60. Matthew 5:5 Grounds for meekly inheriting humble pie
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. [kjv]
μακαριοι οι πραεις οτι αυτοι κληρονομησουσιν την γην [gnt]
beati mites … possidebunt terram [v]
The important word here are the following:
"blessed",
"meek",
"inherit",
"earth".
Whatever
"meek" means, both
Jesus and
Moses are described as
"meek".
☐ The
"earth" as now exits.
☐ The
new heaven and
new "earth".
The Latin Vulgate and Wycliffe (and Wessex Gospels) switch the verses for "
mourn" and "
meek". This has been adjusted in the verses as used.
61. Traditions from Babel to Pergamus to Rome
Revelation 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; [kjv]
και τω αγγελω της εν περγαμω εκκλησιας γραψον ταδε λεγει ο εχων την ρομφαιαν την διστομον την οξειαν [gnt]
Many customs originated from the Tower of Babel and Babylon which then went to
Pergamus and then to Rome and then to the rest of the world.
Sunset to sunset: Hebrews, Germanic cultures. (Christmas Eve)
Midnight to midnight: Greece, Rome.
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Spring (renewal, planting, Easter)
Summer (growing)
Fall (harvest, fruit, Halloween)
Winter (Saturnalia, Christmas, Hanukkah)
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[linguistic connections, papyrus vs. parchment, underground pipes]
Some people went north and west, as ended the Germanic tribes with customs of the winter solstice tree.
The Greek for "
two edged sword" means, literally, "
two mouthed sword" as in "
let my sword do the talking".
62. Review: moving mountains
Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [kjv]
The word
"mustard seed" , in growing into a "
tree", connects with
"this" "mountain". How much
"faith" is needed? Is moving
"this" "mountain" a good idea?
Moving
"this" "mountain" changes the location. Moving it into the
"sea" destroys/dissolves it.
Are we supposed to be moving mountains? Should we be telling it on the mountain?
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