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Matthew Mustard seeds and moving mountains
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1. Matthew Mustard seeds and moving mountains

2. Review: Matthew 13 Woman and leaven parable 4
Verse routeMatthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. [kjv]
Verse routeαλλην παραβολην ελαλησεν αυτοις ομοια εστιν η βασιλεια των ουρανων ζυμη ην λαβουσα γυνη ενεκρυψεν εις αλευρου σατα τρια εως ου εζυμωθη ολον [gnt]

Discussion: Is there any possible connection between the following?

☐ woman
☐ headdress
☐ false doctrine (encrypted)
☐ coins (wealth)
☐ aspects of Satan
☐ historical context
☐ large church organization
The Greek for "hide" or "encrypt" is a word similar to the Greek word for "bake". If "wheat" is "baked" before the "leaven" rises, the "leaven" (false doctrine) can appear as "unleavened" (true doctrine).
This fourth parable comes right after the third parable about the mustard seed growing into a tree and the birds.

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3. Matthew Mustard seeds and moving mountains
Verse routeMatthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
Verse route21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [kjv]

Move this mountain
The word "mustard seed" , in growing into a "tree", connects with "this" "mountain". How much "faith" is needed? Is moving "this" "mountain" a good idea?
Moving "this" "mountain" changes the location. Moving it into the "sea" destroys/dissolves it.

Are we supposed to be moving mountains? Should we be telling it on the mountain?

4. Song: Go tell it on the mountain
Verse routeMatthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [kjv]
Verse routeπορευθεντες ουν μαθητευσατε παντα τα εθνη βαπτιζοντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και του υιου και του αγιου πνευματος [gnt]

The song "Go tell it on the mountain" was originally a Negro spiritual. After the Civil War, at Fisk College in Tennessee, a singing group with a slave heritage went around singing to raise money for the school. The song was finally written down and, over time, became popular as a Christmas song, talking about the shepherds and the birth of Jesus.

5. Verse 1
Go, tell it on the mountain. Over the hills and everywhere.
Go, tell it on the mountain. That Jesus Christ is born.

While shepherds kept their watching
Over silent flocks by night
Behold throughout the heavens
There shone a holy light

Go, tell it on the mountain. Over the hills and everywhere.
Go, tell it on the mountain. That Jesus Christ is born.

6. Deacons can move walls
Deacons can move walls
Pastors preach about great "faith" being able to move any "mountain".

To sum it (summit) all up on mountains, a widely held (hilled) view, to top it off, is to use a higher level of thought (thaw-it) at the highest attitudes (altitudes).

[Over the heel]
In some churches, it appears that Deacons (and office staff) can move walls. No mention of mountains here.

Daniel made some "off the wall" comments in reading the handwriting on the wall.

7. Deacons can move walls
Deacons can move walls Deacons can move walls

It the more global context, perhaps "the wall" that a deacon can move is not "the wall" on which the sign is attached.

The deacons (and office staff) can move "this wall" and not "that wall".

Jesus says that (unspecified) "faith" can move "this" "mountain" and not "that mountain" or "any (other) mountain".

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8. Mountains of Oreo cookies
The ancient Greek word (smooth breathing) "ὄρος""mountain".

Ancient Greek appears to have had no word for hill. They lived in a very mountainous area. Note that the English often uses "hills" where the Greek uses "mountains". The English state named "Montana" is from the Spanish word "montaña""mountain" which is from the Latin word "montanus""mountain".

Oreo cookies
The origin of the name "Oreo" in "Oreo cookie" is unknown.

One idea (there are others) is that it came from the Greek word for "mountain".

Aristotle uses the word for "mountain" often in his work on Meteorology.
English: From Pyrene (this is a mountain range towards the equinoctial sunset in Celtice) there flow the Istrus and the Tartessus (Loeb#397, p. 97)
Greek: ἐκ δὲ τῆς Πυρήνης (τοῦτο δ' ἐστὶν ὄρος πρὸς δυσμὴν ἰσημερινὴν ἐν τῇ Κελτικῇ) ῥέουσιν ὅ τε Ἴστρος καὶ ὁ Ταρτησσός. [350b]
Aristotle mentions the Pyrenees mountains and the Celts as a general Greek name for what is today Spain and France. The Latin name for the Celts was the Gauls.

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9. The gall of the Celts
The Romans called the Celts the Gauls. The area of Gaul's (Celts) in Asia Minor was called Galatia.

Paul wrote the letter to these Galatians.
Julius Caesar slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Gauls and wrote back glowing letters to Rome about his accomplishments.

Galatia, as in Paul's Letter to the Galatians (or Celts) were populated by Gauls/Celts.

10. Strongs

11. Strongs - mountain

12. Usage - mountain
*G3735 *64 ὄρος (or'-os) : probably from an obsolete oro (to rise or "rear"; perhaps akin to G142; compare G3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): -hill, mount(-ain).
Word usage per chapter Words: ορει=11 ορεσιν=4 ορεων ορη=7 ορος=29 ορους=12

The ancient Greek word (smooth breathing) "ὄρος""mountain".

13. Armageddon
*H2022 הַר (har) : a shortened form of H2042; a mountain or range of hills (sometimes used figuratively):--hill (country), mount(-ain), X promotion.
Verse routeGenesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. [kjv]
Verse routeהרי … [he]

הרי - mountains The Hebrew word "הרי" (ha-re) ≈ "mountains". The battle of "Armageddon" is from the Hebrew for "Har Megiddon", the "Mountain of Megiddo".
The mound (or city) of Megiddo is, in Hebrew, "Tel Megiddo". The "mountain" is actually a "mound" of a "city" that has built up, layer by layer, such that it is referred to as a "mountain". Megiddo is found twelve times in the OT (Old Testament) and once in Revelation.

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14. Mountains of Ararat
Verse routeGenesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. [kjv]
Verse routeהרי … [he]
Verse routeκαι εκαθισεν η κιβωτος εν μηνι τω εβδομω εβδομη και εικαδι του μηνος επι τα ορη τα αραρατ [lxx]

הרי - the mountains The Hebrew word "הרי" (ha-re) ≈ "the mountains". The "mountains" of Ararat span thousands of miles.

Ark and Ararat 1
Verse route11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. [kjv]
Verse routeκαι εγενετο εν τω κινησαι αυτους απο ανατολων ευρον πεδιον εν γη σεννααρ και κατωκησαν εκει [lxx]


15. Calendars: Anniversary in advance
Speaking about the passover, Moses is later given the following directive from God.

Verse routeExodus 12:2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. [kjv]
Verse routeο μην ουτος υμιν αρχη μηνων πρωτος εστιν υμιν εν τοις μησιν του ενιαυτου [lxx]

This created two calendars in Israel, a civil calendar and a religious calendar, with a change of 6 months. Note that if one reconciles the "three days and three nights" in the grave with resurrection Sunday, then the 14th of the month is Passover (according to the above calendar change and following verses) and the 17th of the month is resurrection Sunday. With the month change above, resurrection Sunday is on the anniversary of the resting of Noah's arc on mountains of Ararat.

Future topic Details are left as a future topic.



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16. Genesis 11:2

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KJV: And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
Hebrew: ויהי בנסעם מקדם וימצאו בקעה בארץ שנער וישבו שם׃
Greek: και εγενετο εν τω κινησαι αυτους απο ανατολων ευρον πεδιον εν γη σεννααρ και κατωκησαν εκει

17. Jesus examined
In the temptations (examination in order to deceive) of Jesus in the wilderness, the devil takes him to a very high "mountain".

Wycliffe uses "hil" for "mountain".

Verse routeMatthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; [kjv]
Verse routeπαλιν παραλαμβανει αυτον ο διαβολος εις ορος υψηλον λιαν και δεικνυσιν αυτω πασας τας βασιλειας του κοσμου και την δοξαν αυτων [gnt]
Verse routemontemgloriam … [v]
Verse routemuntwuldor. [wes]
Verse routehilioye … [wy]
Verse routemountayneglorie … [ty]
Verse route4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. [kjv]

Jesus does not contend nor does he dispute the devil's ability to provide the things promised.

Who is the power in control (as God permits) of the kingdoms of the world?

The Greek translated as "temptation" means an examination, often to deceive, using things the person knows or believes to be true.

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18. Matthew 4:8
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KJV: Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Greek: παλιν παραλαμβανει αυτον ο διαβολος εις ορος υψηλον λιαν και δεικνυσιν αυτω πασας τας βασιλειας του κοσμου και την δοξαν αυτων
Latin: iterum adsumit eum diabolus in montem excelsum valde et ostendit ei omnia regna mundi et gloriam eorum
Wessex: Eft se deofel hine nam. & ledde hine on swiðe heagene munt. & ateowede hym ealne midden-eardes riche. & hire wuldor.
Wycliffe: Eftsoone the feend took hym in to a ful hiy hil, and schewide to hym alle the rewmes of the world, and the ioye of hem;
Tyndale: The devyll toke hym vp agayne and ledde hym in to an excedynge hye mountayne and shewed hym all the kyngdomes of ye worlde and all ye glorie of them

19. Matthew 4:9
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KJV: And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Greek: και λεγει ειπεν αυτω ταυτα παντα σοι παντα δωσω εαν πεσων προσκυνησης μοι

20. Matthew 17:19-21 Context
Verse routeMatthew 17:19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? [kjv]
Verse route17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
Verse routeο δε λεγει αυτοις δια την ολιγοπιστιαν υμων αμην γαρ λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν ως κοκκον σιναπεως ερειτε τω ορει τουτω μεταβα ενθεν εκει και μεταβησεται και ουδεν αδυνατησει υμιν [gnt]
Verse route17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. [kjv]

The last verse is not in some Greek manuscripts.

Let us look at the middle verse in terms of the "mustard plant" from the parable of the mustard seed.

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21. Faith as a mustard seed
Verse routeMatthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]

Move this mountain
Some preach that "faith as a mustard seed can move mountains".
The verse does not answer these questions.

22. Matthew 17:19
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KJV: Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
Greek: τοτε προσελθοντες οι μαθηται τω ιησου κατ ιδιαν ειπον ειπαν δια τι ημεις ουκ ηδυνηθημεν εκβαλειν αυτο

23. Matthew 17:20
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KJV: And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Greek: ο δε ιησους ειπεν λεγει αυτοις δια την απιστιαν ολιγοπιστιαν υμων αμην γαρ λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν ως κοκκον σιναπεως ερειτε τω ορει τουτω μεταβηθι εντευθεν μεταβα ενθεν εκει και μεταβησεται και ουδεν αδυνατησει υμιν

24. Matthew 17:21
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KJV: Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Greek: τουτο δε το γενος ουκ εκπορευεται ει μη εν προσευχη και νηστεια

25. Matthew 17:20 Faith and mustard seed
Verse routeMatthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
Verse routeο δε λεγει αυτοις δια την ολιγοπιστιαν υμων αμην γαρ λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν ως κοκκον σιναπεως ερειτε τω ορει τουτω μεταβα ενθεν εκει και μεταβησεται και ουδεν αδυνατησει υμιν [gnt]

Hills Move this mountain
Does "this mountain" mean a particular mountain as a one time action or to "any mountain"?

The KJV (King James Version) translates as "unbelief" (in some manuscripts) the Greek word that means "little belief".

The Greek translated as "not impossible" has the idea of being "potentially possible".
This does not mean that one can actually do it. It means that there is the potential to do it. Does the "nothing shall be impossible" or "everything shall be potentially possible" apply if the mountain is not moved?

26. Matthew 17:20 Faith and mustard seed
Verse routeMatthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
Verse routeο δε λεγει αυτοις δια την ολιγοπιστιαν υμων αμην γαρ λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν ως κοκκον σιναπεως ερειτε τω ορει τουτω μεταβα ενθεν εκει και μεταβησεται και ουδεν αδυνατησει υμιν [gnt]

If the "seed" of the "mustard plant" is a play on words referring to Rome, then their "faith", more or less than "little", might be the reason why their empire, or "mountain" was moved and/or fell into the sea.

The English prefix "re-" in "remove" as "move" is similar to that of the "re-" in "research" as "search".

27. Doubt and discernment
Verse routeMatthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [kjv]
Verse routeαποκριθεις δε ο ιησους ειπεν αυτοις αμην λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν και μη διακριθητε ου μονον το της συκης ποιησετε αλλα καν τω ορει τουτω ειπητε αρθητι και βληθητι εις την θαλασσαν γενησεται [gnt]

Don't even think of doubting here! Move this mountain Divide into two parts
The KJV uses "doubt" but the Greek word is "discern" as in "through division". Does this make sense?
That is, "If you do not discern, you can do this...". You better be careful. If you do not "discern" you might do something that may not be good. Might this happen if your faith is lacking? What if you "over-think" it?

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28. Matthew 21:21
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KJV: Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
Greek: αποκριθεις δε ο ιησους ειπεν αυτοις αμην λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν και μη διακριθητε ου μονον το της συκης ποιησετε αλλα καν τω ορει τουτω ειπητε αρθητι και βληθητι εις την θαλασσαν γενησεται

29. Thought comparison
Here is a joke. One can substitute any school for it. Note that an MBA (Masters of Business Administration) is a graduate degree for those who will be managers - even to being the head of a company.
 
How do you get a Penn State MBA graduate their own small business?
Could the same joke be used with pastors?
 
What do you have to do to get out of shape physically?
What do you have to do to get out of shape mentally?
What do you have to do to get out of shape spiritually?

30. Destruction
Swine into the sea Soldiers into the sea Birds pigs and fish
Sheep into the sea Mountain into the sea The sea contains all the fish - good and bad. The sea represents destruction for those who have not become sheep. Faith can throw a mountain into the sea (or just move it).

There are interesting connections:
  • Jesus and the demons taking the swine into the sea
  • Pharaoh's army going into the sea
  • A wolf dog impersonating a sheep dog taking the sheep into the sea


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31. Ask, seek and knock
Do we have the freedom to make the Bible say whatever we want it to say?

Verse routeMatthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: [kjv]
Verse routeαιτειτε και δοθησεται υμιν ζητειτε και ευρησετε κρουετε και ανοιγησεται υμιν [gnt]

Two gates - pre-approved Ask, seek, knock
In the context of Matthew 7, If one asks, seeks and knocks on the wide gate to destruction, it will open.


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32. Matthew 7:7
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KJV: Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Greek: αιτειτε και δοθησεται υμιν ζητειτε και ευρησετε κρουετε και ανοιγησεται υμιν

33. Matthew Discern and mountain
Verse routeMatthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [kjv]
Verse routeαποκριθεις δε ο ιησους ειπεν αυτοις αμην λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν και μη διακριθητε ου μονον το της συκης ποιησετε αλλα καν τω ορει τουτω ειπητε αρθητι και βληθητι εις την θαλασσαν γενησεται [gnt]

The "fig tree" appears to represent Israel in Judea at the time. They were not an empire or "mountain", but had a human hierarchy "tree" in the religious establishment and those working with the Romans (mostly against the people).

Move this mountain Tree with twigs - no fruit
Israel or Judea as the "fig tree" with "no fruit" will "dry up" in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple.

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34. The Roman Empire under Constantine
In 325 Constantine became emperor. He recognized and officially tolerated Christianity, which soon became the official religion of Rome.
The relatively flat structure of the church (mustard seeds and plants) soon grew into a large tree structure. Birds came to make homes and reside in that tree.

Under Constantine, Rome extended from England in the north-east to Spain in the south-east across north Africa to Egypt and the Sinai Peninsula in the south-west up through Palestine and Syria and Turkey (Asia), and across Europe to France, essentially south of the Danube, Alps, and west of the Rhine river.




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35. Chi Rho
Chess pieces Chi Rho

 χ + ρ = ☧ = Χ + Ρ 
Greek gematria
The "chi rho" symbol became established under Constantine as a combination of two Greek letters, "chi" and "rho", the first two letters of "Χριστός""Christ".

Might there by any interesting gematria meanings from the two letters?


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The Unicode for "Chi Rho" in the miscellaneous symbols block is "U+2627" or ☧.

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36. Helena and Rome under Constantine
The mother of Constantine, Helena, toured the Roman Empire looking for historical sites of the Bible. Wherever these sites were declared, religious sites, churches, monasteries, etc., sprang up.

It was convenient that two important sites were found by Helena within the bounds of the Roman Empire at that time, despite Biblical indications that the site was elsewhere.

37. Constantine and the deep state
Tree with twigs - no fruit

Emperor Constantine (275-337) was so disgusted by the politics and deep state in Rome in the 4th Century, that he ordered (commanded) that the capitol of Rome be moved to a new city, soon named Constantinople. Within a short time, a new deep state (tree with birds nesting) was established in Constantinople.

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38. Constantinople
Κωνσταντινούπολη or "Constantinople" is, literally, the "City of Constantine".

The Turkish word is "Istanbul" where the "bul" at the end is from "pol" and the "Istan" is how they appeared to have heard the first part "Constantin" (omitting the first part).


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39. Hellespont
The English word "strait" means "narrow".

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How did the huge Persian army get across?
For the Persian army to get from Asia Minor (Turkey) to Greek, it was necessary to cross over. The best places to do this is called the Dardanelles or the Bosporus (literally, "cow crossing" in folk etymology). These crossing points separate the Aegean Sea and the Black Sea.

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40. Herodotus
Mobile bridge on the Rhine River,

Herodotus reports that Xerxes, son of Darius, about 482 BC, had two pontoon bridges built across the Hellespont.

Herodotus reports that a storm destroyed the bridges and Xerxes had the builders executed (beheaded) and had the straight itself whipped (300 lashes) as a punishment.

The engineers then used ships lashed together with planks between them to allow the army to cross. Additional anchors were added to each ship to keep them from moving too much.

Some of those techniques are still used today.

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41. Matthew Move a mountain
Verse routeMatthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
Verse routeο δε λεγει αυτοις δια την ολιγοπιστιαν υμων αμην γαρ λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν ως κοκκον σιναπεως ερειτε τω ορει τουτω μεταβα ενθεν εκει και μεταβησεται και ουδεν αδυνατησει υμιν [gnt]

Move this mountain Move this empire

If Rome is considered a "mountain", as in an "empire", then Constantine, through "faith", did "move" the "mountain" of Rome to Constantinople.

42. Constantine and Rome
Move this empire

If Constantine (and Rome) did not divide, as "through division" or "discernment", translated "doubt" in the KJV, into east and west, that entire "mountain" could have been moved into the "sea".

Most empires are taken over by another stronger empire. Rome is a conspicuous exception. This was predicted by Daniel in several prophecies. The most familiar is the dream and golden statue that led to the fiery furnace.



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43. Matthew 21:21 Mountain into the sea
Verse routeMatthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [kjv]
Verse routeαποκριθεις δε ο ιησους ειπεν αυτοις αμην λεγω υμιν εαν εχητε πιστιν και μη διακριθητε ου μονον το της συκης ποιησετε αλλα καν τω ορει τουτω ειπητε αρθητι και βληθητι εις την θαλασσαν γενησεται [gnt]

If Constantine (and Rome) did not divide, as "through division" or "discernment", translated "doubt" in the KJV, into east and west, that entire "mountain" could have been moved into the "sea".

44. Daniel 2:45
Verse routeDaniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. [kjv]


45. Daniel 2:45
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KJV: Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
Hebrew: כל קבל די חזית די מטורא אתגזרת אבן די לא בידין והדקת פרזלא נחשא חספא כספא ודהבא אלה רב הודע למלכא מה די להוא אחרי דנה ויציב חלמא ומהימן פשרה׃
Greek: ον τροπον ειδες οτι απο ορους ετμηθη λιθος ανευ χειρων και ελεπτυνεν το οστρακον τον σιδηρον τον χαλκον τον αργυρον τον χρυσον ο θεος ο μεγας εγνωρισεν τω βασιλει α δει γενεσθαι μετα ταυτα και αληθινον το ενυπνιον και πιστη η συγκρισις αυτου

46. Mountains and hills
Mountain and hillAncient Greece was very hilly, to the point that hills were what we call mountains. In Ancient Greek, the word for "hill" and "mountain" was the same.

47. Mountains and hills
Verse routeMatthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. [kjv]
Verse routeυμεις εστε το φως του κοσμου ου δυναται πολις κρυβηναι επανω ορους κειμενη [gnt]



Mountain and hillFor those who live near mountain ranges, the modern Greek word "όρους" (O-rus) ≈ "mountain" is here translated as "hill".

48. Matthew 5:14

   Matthew 5:14 
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KJV: Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Greek: υμεις εστε το φως του κοσμου ου δυναται πολις κρυβηναι επανω ορους κειμενη
Latin: vos estis lux mundi non potest civitas abscondi supra montem posita
Wessex: Ge synd midden-eardes leoht. ne maig syo ceastre beon behyd. þe beoð up on munt äset.

49. Paul
Verse route1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [kjv]
Verse routeεαν ταις γλωσσαις των ανθρωπων λαλω και των αγγελων αγαπην δε μη εχω γεγονα χαλκος ηχων η κυμβαλον αλαλαζον [gnt]
Verse route13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [kjv]
Verse routeκαν και εαν εχω προφητειαν και ειδω τα μυστηρια παντα και πασαν την γνωσιν καν και εαν εχω πασαν την πιστιν ωστε ορη μεθιστανειν αγαπην δε μη εχω ουθεν ειμι [gnt]

Paul appears to use the saying about "faith" and "mountains". Paul appears to be making the statement in a figurative sense without any play on words, etc. Not so in the previous verse.

HeartThe "love chapter" of 1 Corinthians 13 is set up in chapter 12 and in continued in chapter 14. Paul is using an indirect way of the lack of importance in speaking in tongues.


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50. 1 Corinthians 13:1
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KJV: Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
Greek: εαν ταις γλωσσαις των ανθρωπων λαλω και των αγγελων αγαπην δε μη εχω γεγονα χαλκος ηχων η κυμβαλον αλαλαζον

51. 1 Corinthians 13:2
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KJV: And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Greek: καν και εαν εχω προφητειαν και ειδω τα μυστηρια παντα και πασαν την γνωσιν καν και εαν εχω πασαν την πιστιν ωστε ορη μεθιστανειν αγαπην δε μη εχω ουθεν ειμι

52. Strongs - clanging

53. Strongs - cymbal

54. Usage - clanging cymbal
*G2950 *1 κύμβαλον (koom'-bal-on) : from a derivative of the base of G2949; a "cymbal" (as hollow):--cymbal.
Word usage per chapter Words: κυμβαλον=1

Word usage per chapter Words: αλαλαζον=1 αλαλαζοντας

The play on words for "cymbal clanging" includes sounds to the ears as "tomb of a know-it-all".

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55. Defining a definition
The ancient Greek word (rough breathing) "ὅρος""boundary, definition" and is the source of the English word "horizon".
Aristotle often emphasizes the importance of "definitions" in identifying bad logic. Of course, Aristotle then defines what he means by a "definition".

English: A definition is a phrase indicating the essence of something. (Loeb#391, p. 281)
Greek: Ἔστι δ´ ὅρος μὲν λόγος ὁ τὸ τί ἦν εἶναι σημαίνων, [Topica, 101b-102a]
The aspirated rough breathing comes through in Latin and into English in the sound of the letter "h". Aristotle used this word for "definition" many times. This was only used for a while in the first century BC and discontinued but persists in ancient Greek notations to this day.

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56. Play on words

The ancient Greek word (smooth breathing) "ὄρος""mountain".
The ancient Greek word (rough breathing) "ὅρος""boundary, definition".

The smooth and rough breathing were close enough to be used as play on words but had disappeared by the time of Christ.

The ancient Greek words (and sounds) merged in modern Greek as "όρος" (O-ros) ≈ "mountain, definition, boundary".

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57. Latin Vulgate conjecture
Verse routeMatthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]

Move this empire Move this doctrine
Consider the play on words between "mountain" and "definition" in Greek.
Late in the fourth century, Jerome translated what was to be called the Latin Vulgate. The definitions of many words of the "doctrine" or "teaching" were "moved" to be something other than what appears to have been meant in the Greek. The woman "encrypted" or "baked" false doctrine (leaven) with true doctrine (wheat flour) until it was all mixed together but appeared as true doctrine.

The moving of this mountain (i.e., many definitions) did put that present and future church in a position to do what might have been considered "impossible" before that time.


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58. Review: Matthew 13 Woman and leaven parable 4
Verse routeMatthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. [kjv]
Verse routeαλλην παραβολην ελαλησεν αυτοις ομοια εστιν η βασιλεια των ουρανων ζυμη ην λαβουσα γυνη ενεκρυψεν εις αλευρου σατα τρια εως ου εζυμωθη ολον [gnt]

Discussion: Is there any possible connection between the following?

☐ woman
☐ headdress
☐ false doctrine (encrypted)
☐ coins (wealth)
☐ aspects of Satan
☐ historical context
☐ large church organization
The Greek for "hide" or "encrypt" is a word similar to the Greek word for "bake". If "wheat" is "baked" before the "leaven" rises, the "leaven" (false doctrine) can appear as "unleavened" (true doctrine).
This fourth parable comes right after the third parable about the mustard seed growing into a tree and the birds.

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59. Historical interpretation of church history
The parable of the mustard seed corresponds to historical period of Constantine when church organization went from a relatively flat to a big tree-structured organization.
Churches in Revelation Beatitudes
Kingdom parables The probability that all three would be ordered together is 1 in 5040*5040*5040 or 1 in 128,024,064,000128 billion.
Some people prefer to just use church history to help remember the order of the churches, parables and beatitudes.

The horizontal scale is time. The vertical scale is the proportion that history evidences the traits of those verses. The historical interpretation is like a linear combination in mathematics in that what the verses say is more valid in some time periods than other time periods.

The probability that any 7 objects would be ordered at random in a given order is 7! = 7*6*5*4*3*2*1 or 1 in 5040. Note that there were many more possible churches or parables or beatitudes than used by Jesus.




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60. Matthew 5:5 Grounds for meekly inheriting humble pie
Verse routeMatthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. [kjv]
Verse routeμακαριοι οι πραεις οτι αυτοι κληρονομησουσιν την γην [gnt]
Verse routebeati mitespossidebunt terram [v]

The important word here are the following: "blessed", "meek", "inherit", "earth".

Whatever "meek" means, both Jesus and Moses are described as "meek". The Latin Vulgate and Wycliffe (and Wessex Gospels) switch the verses for "mourn" and "meek". This has been adjusted in the verses as used.

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61. Traditions from Babel to Pergamus to Rome
Verse routeRevelation 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; [kjv]
Verse routeκαι τω αγγελω της εν περγαμω εκκλησιας γραψον ταδε λεγει ο εχων την ρομφαιαν την διστομον την οξειαν [gnt]

Many customs originated from the Tower of Babel and Babylon which then went to Pergamus and then to Rome and then to the rest of the world.
  • Spring (renewal, planting, Easter)
  • Summer (growing)
  • Fall (harvest, fruit, Halloween)
  • Winter (Saturnalia, Christmas, Hanukkah)

[linguistic connections, papyrus vs. parchment, underground pipes]

Some people went north and west, as ended the Germanic tribes with customs of the winter solstice tree.

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The Greek for "two edged sword" means, literally, "two mouthed sword" as in "let my sword do the talking".

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62. Review: moving mountains
Verse routeMatthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [kjv]
Verse route21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [kjv]

Move this mountain
The word "mustard seed" , in growing into a "tree", connects with "this" "mountain". How much "faith" is needed? Is moving "this" "mountain" a good idea?
Moving "this" "mountain" changes the location. Moving it into the "sea" destroys/dissolves it.

Are we supposed to be moving mountains? Should we be telling it on the mountain?

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